Re: [Unbearable] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-tokbind-https-14: (with COMMENT)

Nick Harper <nharper@google.com> Tue, 05 June 2018 19:01 UTC

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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 12:01:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Unbearable] Adam Roach's Yes on draft-ietf-tokbind-https-14: (with COMMENT)
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Then please add an informative reference to draft-ietf-tokbind-tls13.
>
> /a
>
The reason for splitting off draft-ietf-tokbind-tls13 into a separate draft
was so that publication of draft-ietf-tls-tls13 doesn't delay publication
of the 3 core tokbind drafts (draft-ietf-tokbind-protocol,
draft-ietf-tokbind-negotiation, and draft-ietf-tokbind-https). It sounds
like adding a reference to draft-ietf-tokbind-tls13 would result in
postponing publication of at least this draft until both
draft-ietf-tls-tls13 and draft-ietf-tokbind-tls13 get published.

Given that the WG's goal of excluding TLS 1.3 in the 3 core drafts is to
avoid blocking them on publication of draft-ietf-tls-tls13, what do you
think the best approach is with this?