Re: [Unbearable] FWD: Status of draft-ietf-tokbind-https

=JeffH <Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com> Thu, 16 November 2017 02:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Unbearable] FWD: Status of draft-ietf-tokbind-https
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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Monday, November 13, 2017 at 9:12 PM
To: Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se>
Cc: "draft-ietf-tokbind-https@tools.ietf.org" 
<draft-ietf-tokbind-https@tools.ietf.org>, "tokbind-chairs@ietf.org" 
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Subject: Re: Status of draft-ietf-tokbind-https
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Balfanz <balfanz@google.com>, Adam Langley <agl@google.com>, 
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Resent-Date: Monday, November 13, 2017 at 9:13 PM


 > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:10 PM, Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se> wrote:
 > On 2017-11-13 14:00, Eric Rescorla wrote:
 >> Hi folks,
 >>
 >> I have made a first pass through this document and while I have some
 >> comments it appears generally sound. My one concern is the complexity
 >> of the federated version. It's complicated enough that it's not 
obviously
 >> secure and I don't know how much analysis there has been of it.
 >
 > Have we gotten a secdir review yet? I confess I haven't seen one yet but
 > I may have missed something...

No, I don't think so, but generally I wouldn't expect that thorough a 
review from that, at least not at the level of real protocol analysis.

-Ekr