Re: [Uri-review] Request for review

[Timothy Mcsweeney <[e-mail]>]

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Hi Dave, 

By "safe" I meant like ".....
safe to be
   used by scheme-specific and producer-specific algorithms for
   delimiting data subcomponents within a URI"

Like it says in section 2.2 of RFC3986.  

Tim


> On 05/27/2020 9:06 PM Timothy Mcsweeney <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> By "safe" I meant like ".....
> safe to be
>    used by scheme-specific and producer-specific algorithms for
>    delimiting data subcomponents within a URI"
> 
> Like it says in section 2.2 of RFC3986.  
> 
> Tim
> 
> > On May 27, 2020 at 8:48 PM Dave Thaler <[e-mail]> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > s/URL/URI/ in both cases in my responseJ
> > 
> > From:Uri-review <[e-mail]> On Behalf OfDave Thaler
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:47 PM
> > To: Timothy Mcsweeney <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [Uri-review] Request for review
> > 
> > I don’t understand your question. The URL syntax is fixed by that RFC.
> > I don’t know what you mean by “safe” or “valid”.
> > 
> > If by “valid” you mean “allowed by RFC 3986”, the answer is that they may only appear in a URL literally
> > if they have the exact meaning in the RFC, otherwise they must be pct-encoded.
> > 
> > 
> > From:Uri-review <[e-mail]> On Behalf OfTimothy Mcsweeney
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [Uri-review] Request for review
> > 
> > Hi Dave,
> > 
> > If the other six gen-delims from the reserved set were safe and valid, would you oppose their use in URIs?
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On May 24, 2020 at 6:08 PM Dave Thaler <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > > Hi Tim,
> > > 
> > > Correct the colon is not part of the hier-part, the hier-part is what comes after the colon. RFC 3986 says:
> > > 
> > > URI = scheme ":" hier-part [ "?" query ] [ "#" fragment ]
> > > 
> > > Only strings that conform to the above are URIs.
> > > So “drop#sd54g54” is not a URI because it does not conform to the above syntax, as it has no “:”
> > > 
> > > “drop:sd54g54” on the other hand would be a valid URI.
> > > 
> > > This is what folks are saying when they say if you just change the “#” to a “:” in your draft then it becomes legal.
> > > 
> > > Dave
> > > 
> > > From:Uri-review <[e-mail]> On Behalf OfTimothy Mcsweeney
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 11:26 AM
> > > To: Erik Wilde <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> > > Subject: Re: [Uri-review] Request for review
> > > 
> > > Hi Erik,
> > > 
> > > Thank you, I will have another look at my reference to section 3.
> > > Would you agree that in "https://ietf.org (https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fietf.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Cb115c7f8c70b410eb98308d802a0a8f4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637262236339204192&sdata=UJ7TQnKfGZMnWkBKZCVozZQhn%2BGir1saiPQoNGV2C9M%3D&reserved=0)" the colon is not part of the hier-part?
> > > > On May 24, 2020 at 12:02 PM Erik Wilde < [e-mail]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > hey tim.
> > > > 
> > > > On 2020-05-24 17:53, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote:
> > > > > Yes, I agree and understand that the same way as you. But when the "#"
> > > > > leaves the client it is not leaving as a fragment,
> > > > what people are telling you is that "#" and anything following it never
> > > > leaves the client, by definition..
> > > > 
> > > > > it is leaving as a
> > > > > way to separate the URI components, <scheme> and <path> or for http it
> > > > > would be separating <scheme> and <authority>. It is this that makes me
> > > > > believe that even if the colon is required for http resolution, it is
> > > > > not necessarily required for all URI.
> > > > this discussion could be more productive if you had a brief look at the
> > > > specs you're depending on. the very first rule shown in
> > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986#section-3 (https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf..org%2Fhtml%2Frfc3986%23section-3&data=02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.com%7Cb115c7f8c70b410eb98308d802a0a8f4%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637262236339214150&sdata=upZbOkALJ8SuEk%2FpLLqhdDDUNMhdpSmjWqpMAyITzc8%3D&reserved=0) is
> > > > 
> > > > URI = scheme ":" hier-part [ "?" query ] [ "#" fragment ]
> > > > 
> > > > each URI is defined like this and must have a colon.
> > > > 
> > > > cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > dret.
> > > > 
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