Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" as URN

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 13 January 2012 17:12 UTC

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Yes, I agree.

I shall initiate IETF Last Call on this specification, so that the IESG
can consider it before the end of my term at IETF 83.

On 1/13/12 10:07 AM, Ted Hardie wrote:
> Dear Ishikawa-san,
> 
> Thank you for your careful consideration of the message.  With this
> data, I believe that this registration is ready to proceed.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Ted
> 
> 2012/1/13 ishikawa <chiaki.ishikawa@ubin.jp>:
>> Dear Ted and Peter,
>>
>> This is Chiaki Ishikawa.
>>
>> Thank you for your comments.
>>
>> I take the suggestion from TED seriously, and
>> I checked with the original developer of the specification for the
>> intention behind the "case-sensitive" nature.
>>
>> It turns out that the hexadecimal string that represents ucode in urn
>> would be directly translated into XML tags in some of
>> the intended applications. (Some of them anyway.)
>>
>> XML tags are case-sensitive and that is why the capital letters only are
>> allowed for hexadecimal "A", "B", "C", "D", "E" and "F" for keeping the
>> uniqueness issue of XML tag names under control.
>>
>> (So I take that conversion to numeric value is less of an issue
>> for this particular class of applications. XML is processed in character
>> string space more or less.)
>>
>> So because of the nature of some planned applications (and some of them are
>> large-scale deployment), this case-sensitivity dictating the use of  capital
>> letters only for hexadecimal string must be there. That is the comment from
>> the ucode designers and ucode application developers.
>>
>> Thank you for your valuable time.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Chiaki Ishikawa
>>
>> On (2012年01月12日 07:32), Ted Hardie wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Peter Saint-Andre<stpeter@stpeter.im>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest that it permit the use of lower case la-f as well,
>>>>> even if the preferred presentation format of the name uses the upper
>>>>> case.  There are many hexadecimal representations which do not
>>>>> distinguish between the two, so I believe it would be better practice
>>>>> to permit them.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ted,
>>>>
>>>> That would be inconsistent with this sentence in Section 2 of
>>>> draft-ishikawa-yrpunl-ucode-urn:
>>>>
>>>>    The entire UCODE-URN is case-sensitive.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I understand.  From a registration perspective, this is clear.  But
>>> from a practice perspective, it is my personal advice that this will
>>> likely lead to problems, because many hexadecimal parsers would treat
>>> a and A as equivalent.  The authors are, of course, free to discard
>>> this suggestion if the constraints on their system are such that this
>>> will not arise.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
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