Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" as URN
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 13 January 2012 17:12 UTC
Return-Path: <stpeter@stpeter.im>
X-Original-To: urn-nid@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: urn-nid@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D206421F84E7 for <urn-nid@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:12:03 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -103.568
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BL519tof5ZeA for <urn-nid@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BEF21F84DC for <urn-nid@apps.ietf.org>; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 09:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-243.cisco.com (unknown [64.101.72.243]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CADD840058; Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:21:09 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID: <4F1065E1.7080208@stpeter.im>
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:12:01 -0700
From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" as URN
References: <4EF2C203.4010205@ubin.jp> <4EF30BB5.90002@ubin.jp> <4EF7E1B0.8000504@ubin.jp> <4F0D14F7.9000506@ubin.jp> <CA+9kkMBLRXETpE5P-AKVj+TkvS-zib6FGo0hsbyWWJPfmtmS_g@mail.gmail.com> <4F0E0CBA.1020806@stpeter.im> <CA+9kkMB5jy-VbCvO0BCc0a0Wwzz5EctxBN6BB5zp9BVLBMSJDw@mail.gmail.com> <4F0FE671.6070709@ubin.jp> <CA+9kkMDjGRt3f-EAXsYO_Yfmpr2uvffYiLzYZqcBbBUS9k860g@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CA+9kkMDjGRt3f-EAXsYO_Yfmpr2uvffYiLzYZqcBbBUS9k860g@mail.gmail.com>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4
OpenPGP: url=https://stpeter.im/stpeter.asc
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Cc: ishikawa <chiaki.ishikawa@ubin.jp>, urn-nid@apps.ietf.org
X-BeenThere: urn-nid@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs <urn-nid.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/urn-nid>, <mailto:urn-nid-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn-nid>
List-Post: <mailto:urn-nid@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:urn-nid-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn-nid>, <mailto:urn-nid-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:12:03 -0000
Yes, I agree. I shall initiate IETF Last Call on this specification, so that the IESG can consider it before the end of my term at IETF 83. On 1/13/12 10:07 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: > Dear Ishikawa-san, > > Thank you for your careful consideration of the message. With this > data, I believe that this registration is ready to proceed. > > regards, > > Ted > > 2012/1/13 ishikawa <chiaki.ishikawa@ubin.jp>: >> Dear Ted and Peter, >> >> This is Chiaki Ishikawa. >> >> Thank you for your comments. >> >> I take the suggestion from TED seriously, and >> I checked with the original developer of the specification for the >> intention behind the "case-sensitive" nature. >> >> It turns out that the hexadecimal string that represents ucode in urn >> would be directly translated into XML tags in some of >> the intended applications. (Some of them anyway.) >> >> XML tags are case-sensitive and that is why the capital letters only are >> allowed for hexadecimal "A", "B", "C", "D", "E" and "F" for keeping the >> uniqueness issue of XML tag names under control. >> >> (So I take that conversion to numeric value is less of an issue >> for this particular class of applications. XML is processed in character >> string space more or less.) >> >> So because of the nature of some planned applications (and some of them are >> large-scale deployment), this case-sensitivity dictating the use of capital >> letters only for hexadecimal string must be there. That is the comment from >> the ucode designers and ucode application developers. >> >> Thank you for your valuable time. >> >> Sincerely, >> Chiaki Ishikawa >> >> On (2012年01月12日 07:32), Ted Hardie wrote: >>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Peter Saint-Andre<stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would suggest that it permit the use of lower case la-f as well, >>>>> even if the preferred presentation format of the name uses the upper >>>>> case. There are many hexadecimal representations which do not >>>>> distinguish between the two, so I believe it would be better practice >>>>> to permit them. >>>> >>>> Hi Ted, >>>> >>>> That would be inconsistent with this sentence in Section 2 of >>>> draft-ishikawa-yrpunl-ucode-urn: >>>> >>>> The entire UCODE-URN is case-sensitive. >>>> >>> >>> I understand. From a registration perspective, this is clear. But >>> from a practice perspective, it is my personal advice that this will >>> likely lead to problems, because many hexadecimal parsers would treat >>> a and A as equivalent. The authors are, of course, free to discard >>> this suggestion if the constraints on their system are such that this >>> will not arise. >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter Saint-Andre >>>> http://stpeter.im/
- A request for formal registration of "ucode" as U… ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Ted Hardie
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Ted Hardie
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Ted Hardie
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: A request for formal registration of "ucode" … ishikawa