Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)
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Subject: Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)
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Hi all, Yesterday Mahesh submitted a revised I-D: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-04 Although I'd prefer to see more detail in the syntax description (which exists in documentation on the ETSI site), as far as I can see all issues have been addressed and this can move forward. Peter On 8/14/18 1:20 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > During discussion with IANA, Lars noticed that the "Security and > Privacy" section of the template says: > > If an namespace is URN-equivalent to another namespace used by the > device, as per the rules specified in Section 3.1 of URNs [RFC8141], > Section 6.1 of URI Generic Syntax [RFC3986], and the lexical rules > specified in this document, the request is rejected. > > It would be helpful to clarify what kind of request is involved here > (presumably a configuration or management request using YANG, but let's > make that explicit). > > Also, the "Purpose" section says "the URN" in two places, but that > should be "the URN namespace". > > The "Declaration of syntactic structure" section doesn't seem to reflect > the structure of the examples (e.g., "urn:etsi:yang:etsi-services"). Do > you foresee having additional "sub-identifiers" other than "yang"? > > Finally, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 uses the old template from RFC 3406, > but IANA requires that registrations use the new template from RFC 8141. > > Thanks! > > Peter > > On 6/14/18 9:22 AM, Svensson, Lars wrote: >> Apart from what Peter already said, I have no further comments on this draft, as far as I'm concerned we're ready to proceed. >> >> Best, >> >> Lars >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: urn [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre >>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:57 AM >>> To: urn@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi- >>> urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID) >>> >>> Thanks, Mahesh, that is helpful. >>> >>> I'm still not sure if we want to make a normative reference to RFC 1737 >>> (an Informational RFC from 1994) in the Security Considerations section; >>> do you feel that it discusses issues that we left out of RFC 8141? >>> >>> Other than that, the document looks ready to proceed. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On 6/13/18 5:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>>> ETSI has now published a web page that is publicly available and >>>> describes the two questions outlined below. Please let us know if there >>>> are any questions. >>>> >>>> https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/ETSIURNNamespace.aspx >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The following update to the draft addresses the comments raised as >>>>> part of expert review. The remaining action items are for us to make >>>>> available a public version of the ancillary document, whose URL was >>>>> provided in the draft, that describes: >>>>> >>>>> - the NSS namespace and how it will be allocated by ETSI >>>>> - how a separate “root” namespace under the allocated URN can be used >>>>> for experimental namespaces. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt >>>>> has been successfully submitted by Mahesh Jethanandani and posted to the >>>>> IETF repository. >>>>> >>>>> Name:draft-mahesh-etsi-urn >>>>> Revision:03 >>>>> Title:URN Namespace for ETSI Documents >>>>> Document date:2018-06-08 >>>>> Group:Individual Submission >>>>> Pages:6 >>>>> URL: >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt >>>>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn/ >>>>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 >>>>> Htmlized: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn >>>>> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document describes the Namespace Identifier (NID) 'etsi' for >>>>> Uniform Resource Names (URNs) used to identify resources published by >>>>> European Telecommunications Standards Institute (http://etsi.org). >>>>> ETSI specifies and manages resources that utilize this URN >>>>> identification model. Management activities for these and other >>>>> resources types are handled by the manager of the ETSI Protocol >>>>> Naming and Numbering Service (PNNS). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>>>> submission >>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org >>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org>. >>>>> >>>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Dale R. Worley <worley@ariadne.com >>>>>> <mailto:worley@ariadne.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Comments on draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-02 >>>>>> >>>>>> 1.1. Terminology >>>>>> >>>>>> | PNNS | Protocol Name and Numbering Service | >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be helpful to state that PNNS is an ETSI function: >>>>>> >>>>>> | PNNS | ETSI Protocol Name and Numbering Service | >>>>>> >>>>>> Declaration of syntactic structure: >>>>>> >>>>>> The syntax of namespace specific strings for the 'etsi' namespace >>>>>> is <NSS> in Uniform Resource Names (URNs) [RFC8141]. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is completely legitimate, but it is not satisfying. If ETSI has >>>>>> plans for how it will organize the space of NSSs, it would be nice to >>>>>> describe them here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Relevant ancillary documentation: >>>>>> >>>>>> ETSI publishes information regarding the registered resources in >>>>>> the ETSI URN Namespace (EUN) registry >>>>>> (https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/ >>>>>> ETSIURNNamespace.aspx). >>>>>> >>>>>> It's good that ETSI gives the URL of its URN registry; many other >>>>>> organizations do not. However, I notice that that URL is >>>>>> password-protected. It would be much better for the community if the >>>>>> registry was readable by the world, since there is no stated intention >>>>>> that etsi URNs are used only within a closed community. >>>>>> >>>>>> Identifier uniqueness considerations: >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] ETSI is expected to guarantee the uniqueness [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> Formally, this registration is being submitted by ETSI, so it reads >>>>>> oddly for ETSI to say "ETSI is expected...". Much better would be >>>>>> "ETSI will...". >>>>>> >>>>>> Similarly, "ETSI could..." is used where it is more natural to say "ETSI >>>>>> may...". >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that using experimental types may create >>>>>> collision as multiple users may use the same values for different >>>>>> resources and specific strings. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be very helpful if the registration stated how the ETSI >>>>>> registry will make clear how to recognize experimental URIs within the >>>>>> etsi namespace. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dale >>>>> >>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> urn mailing list >>>> urn@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn >>>> >> >
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahe… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahe… Mahesh Jethanandani
- [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Ignas Bagdonas
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Dale R. Worley
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Mahesh Jethanandani
- [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-e… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Hakala, Juha E