Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-example-00
Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Wed, 09 January 2013 15:49 UTC
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On 2013-01-09 05:27, Keith Moore wrote: > On 01/07/2013 01:35 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Old thread alert! >> >> On 8/17/12 1:27 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> On 2012-08-16 23:01, Alfred � wrote: >>>> (no hat) >>>> >>>> On 08/16/2012, Keith Moore wrote: >>>>> On 08/14/2012 09:59 AM, Andy Newton wrote: >>>>>> Given that URNs are suppose to have permanence or persistence >>>>>> or whatever we are calling it today and a resolution >>>>>> mechanism, this desire to shoehorn identifiers that need to >>>>>> qualify as a URI into the URN system might be wrong. An >>>>>> identifier that must be a URI does not necessarily need or >>>>>> have all the properties to be a URN. Just an observation. >>>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> URNs were intended to be _resource names_, i.e. names of >>>>> resources rather than merely unique identifiers. The >>>>> expectation was that such resources would generally be at least >>>>> potentially accessible over the network, and that it would be >>>>> possible to resolve such names to resource locations. >>>>> Everyone agreed that it should be possible to assign URNs to >>>>> resources that were not resolvable, or at least not resolvable >>>>> for the time being. But the idea that URNs are appropriate for >>>>> use whenever someone needed a unique non-resolvable identifier >>>>> that qualifies as a URI, always has struck me as bizarre and >>>>> contrary to the intended purpose of URNs. >>>>> >>>>> Keith >>>> +1 (for both statements) >>> For the record: -1- >>> >>> urn:uuid: is used a lot in practice, and I simply don't see a >>> practical problem with it. > Whether something works well in practice, and whether something conforms > to the intent of a standard, are of course two separate questions. > > Again, URNs were designed to identify resources. If people use them > for other things, that's not a problem so long as such use doesn't > degrade the intended utility of URNs. It's not like the protocol > police are going to chase down the users of UUID URNs and put them in > jail if those UUIDs weren't chosen to refer to resources. And of course > you can't tell by looking what is named by a URN - and that is a > feature, not a bug. > > But just because people find uses for URNs that weren't intended, > doesn't mean that the URN standard should be changed to encompass those > uses. This _would_ degrade the utility of URNs. > > To be clear, there's nothing in principle wrong with a UUID URN. What's > wrong is using a UUID URN just because what you need is a unique > identifier that doesn't refer to a resource, and you want that unique ID > to be some sort of URI. Yes, it probably does little harm most of the > time, but it's still not a good idea to promote the practice. > ... "This specification does not limit the scope of what might be a resource; rather, the term "resource" is used in a general sense for whatever might be identified by a URI." -- <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc3986.html#rfc.section.1.1> Case closed. Best regards, Julian (ducks)
- [urn] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-examp… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Andy Newton
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Michael Mealling
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Julian Reschke
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Larry Masinter
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-saintandre-urn-exampl… Keith Moore