Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft 9 - RE: new urn PWID draft (7) with corrections)
"Henry S. Thompson" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> Mon, 25 November 2019 22:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft 9 - RE: new urn PWID draft (7) with corrections)
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I continue to be confused by various aspects of this proposal. First confusion (more to follow): The fourth constituent of a PWID, the *precision-spec*, now has only two possible values, 'part' and 'page', which appear to be attempting to distinguish between, respectively, 1) the representation that is/was retrievable for the archived-uri as at the archival-time; 2) a (Content-type conformant?) rendering of that representation (with all other digital objects implicated in that rendering (e.g. scripts, stylesheets, icons, graphics, fonts, ..., to say nothing of advertisements) being also retrieved from the same archive? As it the same archival-time?). Let's just say I can't imagine any creator of a PWID having any idea of when they are supposed to use which, or any consumer of one to have any idea of what they are meant to do as a consequence of which is present. Or is 'page' to be understood as meaning that the PWID as a whole is meant by its minter to denote the same resource (in the RFC 3986 sense of the word) that the archived URI denoted at the time of archiving? The discussion of the use of 'page' in the worked example in the *Resolution* section seems to support either interpretation. It would help if a more detailed description of what the successful resolution of the example PWID, that is urn:pwid:archive.org:2016-01-22T10:08:23Z:page:https://www.dr.dk would look like. Per RFC3986, this should be a representation of the resource identified by the example PWID. And, how would that be different if the example PWID had been urn:pwid:archive.org:2016-01-22T10:08:23Z:part:https://www.dr.dk ? How does this distinction survive a change of media type? To image/png, or application/pdf, or audio/ogg? ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam] The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
- [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft 9 - … Eld Zierau
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Dale R. Worley
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Eld Zierau
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Hakala, Juha E
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Eld Zierau
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Eld Zierau
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [urn] new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Henry S. Thompson
- [urn] FW: new draft 10 - new form (RE: new draft … Eld Zierau