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Re: [urn] What is holding up the LEX URN namespace registration?

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 18 November 2022 19:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [urn] What is holding up the LEX URN namespace registration?
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This namespace is now registered:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml

On 11/15/22 1:49 PM, Enrico Francesconi wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>     thank you very much for your collaboration!
> Please let's keep in touch in case anything is yet to be done after the 
> registration of the draft as RFC and when the namespace will be added to 
> the registry.
> 
> All the best
>     Pierluigi and Enrico
> 
> 
> Il mar 15 nov 2022, 19:37 Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im 
> <mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im>> ha scritto:
> 
>     FYI, I have just now (and finally) requested that IANA add this
>     namespace to the registry.
> 
>     My apologies for the delay.
> 
>     Peter
> 
>     On 5/3/22 9:29 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>      > [ Old thread alert! ]
>      >
>      > Please accept my apologies - I thought we had already processed this
>      > request.
>      >
>      > I will move forward on this with IANA.
>      >
>      > Separately, I understand that the authors of
>     draft-spinosa-urn-lex-15
>      > would like to publish it as an RFC through the Independent
>     Submissions
>      > stream, so I will follow up on that, too.
>      >
>      > Peter
>      >
>      > On 5/24/20 9:53 AM, Dale R. Worley wrote:
>      >> "Hakala, Juha E" <juha.hakala@helsinki.fi
>     <mailto:juha.hakala@helsinki.fi>> writes:
>      >>> The status of urn:lex request is unclear to me as well. Version
>     13 was
>      >>> published ages ago
>      >>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spinosa-urn-lex/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spinosa-urn-lex/>) but I don't
>      >>> know if it addressed the concerns Dale brought up in an email sent
>      >>> April 30 2018. It seemed at that point that we were very close to
>      >>> approving the request, so it is unfortunate that the process was
>      >>> stalled. We should contact Enrico Francesconi and tell him what he
>      >>> needs to do to finish the work. He did ask us the status of the
>      >>> process last October, but I don't know if he got an answer.
>      >>
>      >> My latest opinion regarding the urn:lex proposal was approval on
>     5 June
>      >> 2018:
>      >>
>      >>      From: worley@ariadne.com <mailto:worley@ariadne.com> (Dale
>     R. Worley)
>      >>      To: Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>>
>      >>      Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 22:28:24 -0400
>      >>      Archived-At:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/VpshWLYPcRfqy__xqsH5wz_BO-A <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/VpshWLYPcRfqy__xqsH5wz_BO-A>>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      Cc: barryleiba@computer.org
>     <mailto:barryleiba@computer.org>, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm
>     <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>,
>      >> pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com
>     <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>, L.Svensson@dnb.de
>     <mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de>,
>      >> caterina.lupo@gmail.com <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>,
>     urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>
>      >>
>      >>      Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>> writes:
>      >>      > As for the issue you raised about the maintenance of the
>      >> registry of
>      >>      > jurisdiction codes, we agree at this stage to be
>     ITTIG-CNR the
>      >>      > Registrar. In this respect we propose the following changes:
>      >>
>      >>      The changes you propose seem satisfactory to me.
>      >>
>      >> I posted this comment on 11 Dec 2018:
>      >>
>      >>      From: worley@ariadne.com <mailto:worley@ariadne.com> (Dale
>     R. Worley)
>      >>      To: Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>>
>      >>      Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:13:13 -0500
>      >>      Archived-At:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/71un9dFHWjatiVVsLND0HRKiC8s <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/71un9dFHWjatiVVsLND0HRKiC8s>>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      Cc: urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>,
>     pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>,
>      >> aamelnikov@fastmail.fm <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>,
>      >> L.Svensson@dnb.de <mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de>,
>     caterina.lupo@gmail.com <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>,
>      >> stpeter@stpeter.im <mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im>,
>      >> barryleiba@computer.org <mailto:barryleiba@computer.org>
>      >>
>      >>      Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>> writes:
>      >>      > being quite a long time since the last communication (June
>      >> 2018), we
>      >>      > were wondering whether any action from our side is needed
>      >> before to
>      >>      > proceed with the so called "experimental" registration of
>     the
>      >> URN:LEX
>      >>      > namespace.
>      >>
>      >>      Sorry, we've dropped the ball here.  As far as I can tell from
>      >> reviewing
>      >>      the discussion at
>      >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn/current/maillist.html
>     <https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/urn/current/maillist.html>,
>      >> we have
>      >>      consensus to register the namespace based on
>      >> draft-spinosa-urn-lex-13,
>      >>      but we haven't actually notified IANA of that.  Who is it that
>      >> notifies
>      >>      IANA?
>      >>
>      >> Then there was this message on 12 Dec 2018:
>      >>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      To: Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>>,
>      >>              "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com
>     <mailto:worley@ariadne.com>>
>      >>      Cc: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm
>     <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>>,
>      >>              Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org
>     <mailto:barryleiba@computer.org>>,
>      >> pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>,
>      >> L.Svensson@dnb.de <mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de>,
>     caterina.lupo@gmail.com <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>,
>     urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>
>      >>      From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im
>     <mailto:stpeter@stpeter.im>>
>      >>      Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 07:39:20 -0700
>      >>
>      >>      In my role as URN review team lead, I will contact the IANA.
>      >>      [quoted material deleted - DRW]
>      >>
>      >> Followed up by this on the same day:
>      >>
>      >>      To: Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>>,
>      >>              "Dale R. Worley" <worley@ariadne.com
>     <mailto:worley@ariadne.com>>
>      >>      From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com
>     <mailto:stpeter@mozilla.com>>
>      >>      Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:30:25 -0700
>      >>      Archived-At:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/z6sx-t9fCVZ5dfCKOEbIrHe6jis <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/z6sx-t9fCVZ5dfCKOEbIrHe6jis>>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      Cc: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org
>     <mailto:barryleiba@computer.org>>,
>      >>              Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm
>     <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>>,
>      >> pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>,
>      >> L.Svensson@dnb.de <mailto:L.Svensson@dnb.de>,
>     caterina.lupo@gmail.com <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>,
>     urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>
>      >>
>      >>      Actually, I'll coordinate with Alexey, since he's the
>     sponsoring
>      >> Area
>      >>      Director.
>      >>      [quoted material deleted - DRW]
>      >>
>      >> And then this on 4 Mar 2019:
>      >>
>      >>      To: Enrico Francesconi <francesconi@ittig.cnr.it
>     <mailto:francesconi@ittig.cnr.it>>
>      >>      From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com
>     <mailto:stpeter@mozilla.com>>
>      >>      Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 18:41:42 -0700
>      >>      Archived-At:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/2ZNAplit_W8dwQmALHh-8zLR4dk <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/2ZNAplit_W8dwQmALHh-8zLR4dk>>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      Cc: urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>, Alexey Melnikov
>     <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>>,
>      >>              LUPO Caterina <caterina.lupo@gmail.com
>     <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>>,
>      >>              Pierluigi Spinosa <pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com
>     <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>>
>      >>
>      >>      As far as I know, this Internet-Draft is intended to be
>     published
>      >> as an
>      >>      informational RFC, in which case the IANA registration
>     would happen
>      >>      through normal processes before publication. However, the
>      >> datatracker
>      >>      page indicates that Alexey needs to follow up (specifically it
>      >> appears
>      >>      that he needs to create the writeup for balloting by the IESG).
>      >>
>      >>      Alexey, please let us know if we're mistaken about the next
>     steps
>      >> for
>      >>      this registration.
>      >>      [quoted material deleted - DRW]
>      >>
>      >> Then I have record of a few similar messages between the review
>     group
>      >> and our AD:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/g8eC8QR6Lv1jmtgDT-yCApCvUIQ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/g8eC8QR6Lv1jmtgDT-yCApCvUIQ>>
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/6_hLnPj9pXjM3cV-qSPGY_xkCy4 <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/6_hLnPj9pXjM3cV-qSPGY_xkCy4>>
>      >>
>      >> On 17 Oct 2019, I sent this inquiry to our AD:
>      >>
>      >>      From: worley@ariadne.com <mailto:worley@ariadne.com> (Dale
>     R. Worley)
>      >>      To: aamelnikov@fastmail.fm <mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>
>      >>      Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 22:00:33 -0400
>      >>      Archived-At:
>      >>
>     <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/AtoVfxYg_b7Ho-RaRGcft0CVWxg <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/urn/AtoVfxYg_b7Ho-RaRGcft0CVWxg>>
>      >>      Subject: Re: [urn] Moving ahead with draft-spinosa-urn-lex
>      >>      Cc: Enrico Francesconi <enrico.francesconi@gmail.com
>     <mailto:enrico.francesconi@gmail.com>>,
>      >> pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com
>     <mailto:pierluigi.spinosa@gmail.com>, caterina.lupo@gmail.com
>     <mailto:caterina.lupo@gmail.com>,
>      >> stpeter@mozilla.com <mailto:stpeter@mozilla.com>, urn@ietf.org
>     <mailto:urn@ietf.org>
>      >>
>      >>      Alexey,
>      >>
>      >>      Can you get us (urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>) an
>     update on the processing of
>      >>      draft-spinosa-urn-lex?
>      >>
>      >>      As far as I can tell, the URN group has been satisfied with
>     this
>      >>      registration/I-D since last December, but its processing
>     has been
>      >>      stalled for reasons that are obscure.
>      >>
>      >>      I understand that you are the supervising Area Director of this
>      >>      activity, so on behalf of the URN group, I am requesting
>     guidance
>      >> from
>      >>      you as to the next step for completing this work.
>      >>
>      >> After that date, I can find no record of e-mail from our AD,
>     either to
>      >> me personally or the URN mailing list.
>      >>
>      >> However, checking with https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/>, I see that
>      >> Alexey is no longer an ART AD, which may account for why things have
>      >> gone awry.
>      >>
>      >> Who is responsible for the next step?
>      >>
>      >> Dale
>      >>
>      >> _______________________________________________
>      >> urn mailing list
>      >> urn@ietf.org <mailto:urn@ietf.org>
>      >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn
>     <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn>
>      >
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