Re: [urn] URN fragments
Juha Hakala <juha.hakala@helsinki.fi> Fri, 22 February 2013 06:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [urn] URN fragments
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Hi, On 22.2.2013 5:36, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > Hi Juha, this model sounds similar to what you described for the query > component: the fragment can be "added to the URN". I'm not sure what > that means. When you add a query component or a fragment identifier to > the URN, is that now a different URN (which wasn't assigned by the > minting organization or in accordance with the minting algorithm)? Or > is "a URN with some additional data appended" and therefore not really > a URN anymore? Or is actually a URI (such as an HTTP URI) whose path > is the URN itself as just a string of characters embedded in the > broader URI? Despite the addition of fragment and query the URN itself remains the same, even though the HTTP URI changes. "Added to the URN" means that neither query nor fragment are part of the URN, or more specifically, its namespace specific string. When something is identified, more or less formally, the NSS is and must always be sufficient for that, and RFC 2141 does not provide any functionality beyond that. Full alignment with RFC 3986 would in this interpretation mean that once a resource has been identified with a URN, anybody can add a fragment to the URN in order to pinpoint a location within the resource (for the browsers to act upon), or a query to demand a service from the URN resolver. Syntactically and semantically this interpretation should match the one in RFC 3986. Note that fragments do not identify anything since they are not part of the NSS. IMHO, since we must use RFC 3986 as the starting point it is not even appropriate to say that in the URN context fragment actually identifies something. So Peter's term "fragment identifier" above is not proper language :-). One reason why we should clarify the usage of fragment and query in the URN context is that there is a need to explain which fragment + query combinations make sense. In principle, it is only possible to use fragment when the resource itself is requested. In practice, there may be namespaces or service environments in which the situation is or will be more complicated than that. Juha -- Juha Hakala Senior advisor The National Library of Finland P.O.Box 15 (Unioninkatu 36, room 503) FIN-00014 Helsinki University tel +358 9 191 44293
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