Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)

["Hakala, Juha E" <[e-mail]>]

Hello, 

+ 1 

Juha

-----Original Message-----
From: urn <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Svensson, Lars
Sent: keskiviikko 24. lokakuuta 2018 22.41
To: Peter Saint-Andre <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)

Peter, all,

On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:52 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:[e-mail]] wrote:

> Yesterday Mahesh submitted a revised I-D:
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-04
> 
> Although I'd prefer to see more detail in the syntax description 
> (which exists in documentation on the ETSI site), as far as I can see 
> all issues have been addressed and this can move forward.

No objection from me -- this spec can move forward.

Thanks,

Lars
 
> On 8/14/18 1:20 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > During discussion with IANA, Lars noticed that the "Security and 
> > Privacy" section of the template says:
> >
> >    If an namespace is URN-equivalent to another namespace used by the
> >    device, as per the rules specified in Section 3.1 of URNs [RFC8141],
> >    Section 6.1 of URI Generic Syntax [RFC3986], and the lexical rules
> >    specified in this document, the request is rejected.
> >
> > It would be helpful to clarify what kind of request is involved here 
> > (presumably a configuration or management request using YANG, but 
> > let's make that explicit).
> >
> > Also, the "Purpose" section says "the URN" in two places, but that 
> > should be "the URN namespace".
> >
> > The "Declaration of syntactic structure" section doesn't seem to 
> > reflect the structure of the examples (e.g., 
> > "urn:etsi:yang:etsi-services"). Do you foresee having additional "sub-identifiers" other than "yang"?
> >
> > Finally, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 uses the old template from RFC 
> > 3406, but IANA requires that registrations use the new template from RFC 8141.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 6/14/18 9:22 AM, Svensson, Lars wrote:
> >> Apart from what Peter already said, I have no further comments on 
> >> this draft, as
> far as I'm concerned we're ready to proceed.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Lars
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: urn [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Peter 
> >>> Saint-Andre
> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:57 AM
> >>> To: [e-mail]
> >>> Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] New Version Notification for 
> >>> draft-mahesh-
> etsi-
> >>> urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Mahesh, that is helpful.
> >>>
> >>> I'm still not sure if we want to make a normative reference to RFC 
> >>> 1737 (an Informational RFC from 1994) in the Security 
> >>> Considerations section; do you feel that it discusses issues that we left out of RFC 8141?
> >>>
> >>> Other than that, the document looks ready to proceed.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> On 6/13/18 5:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote:
> >>>> ETSI has now published a web page that is publicly available and 
> >>>> describes the two questions outlined below. Please let us know if 
> >>>> there are any questions.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/ETSIURNNamespace.a
> >>>> spx
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani
> <[e-mail]
> >>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The following update to the draft addresses the comments raised 
> >>>>> as part of expert review. The remaining action items are for us 
> >>>>> to make available a public version of the ancillary document, 
> >>>>> whose URL was provided in the draft, that describes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - the NSS namespace and how it will be allocated by ETSI
> >>>>> - how a separate “root” namespace under the allocated URN can be 
> >>>>> used for experimental namespaces.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt has been 
> >>>>> successfully submitted by Mahesh Jethanandani and posted to
> the
> >>>>> IETF repository.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Name:draft-mahesh-etsi-urn
> >>>>> Revision:03
> >>>>> Title:URN Namespace for ETSI Documents Document date:2018-06-08 
> >>>>> Group:Individual Submission
> >>>>> Pages:6
> >>>>> URL:
> >>>>>            
> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.tx
> >>>>> t
> >>>>> Status:         
> >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn/
> >>>>> Htmlized:       
> >>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03
> >>>>> Htmlized:
> >>>>>       
> >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn
> >>>>> Diff:           
> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Abstract:
> >>>>>   This document describes the Namespace Identifier (NID) 'etsi' 
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>   Uniform Resource Names (URNs) used to identify resources 
> >>>>> published by
> >>>>>   European Telecommunications Standards Institute (http://etsi.org).
> >>>>>   ETSI specifies and manages resources that utilize this URN
> >>>>>   identification model.  Management activities for these and 
> >>>>> other
> >>>>>   resources types are handled by the manager of the ETSI 
> >>>>> Protocol
> >>>>>   Naming and Numbering Service (PNNS).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time 
> >>>>> of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available 
> >>>>> at tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The IETF Secretariat
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Dale R. Worley <[e-mail] 
> >>>>>> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Comments on draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-02
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   1.1.  Terminology
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       | PNNS    | Protocol Name and Numbering Service             
> >>>>>> |
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It would be helpful to state that PNNS is an ETSI function:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>       | PNNS    | ETSI Protocol Name and Numbering Service        
> >>>>>> |
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Declaration of syntactic structure:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      The syntax of namespace specific strings for the 'etsi' 
> >>>>>> namespace
> >>>>>>      is <NSS> in Uniform Resource Names (URNs) [RFC8141].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is completely legitimate, but it is not satisfying.  If 
> >>>>>> ETSI has plans for how it will organize the space of NSSs, it 
> >>>>>> would be nice to describe them here.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Relevant ancillary documentation:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      ETSI publishes information regarding the registered 
> >>>>>> resources in
> >>>>>>      the ETSI URN Namespace (EUN) registry
> >>>>>>      (https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/
> >>>>>>      ETSIURNNamespace.aspx).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's good that ETSI gives the URL of its URN registry; many 
> >>>>>> other organizations do not.  However, I notice that that URL is 
> >>>>>> password-protected.  It would be much better for the community 
> >>>>>> if the registry was readable by the world, since there is no 
> >>>>>> stated intention that etsi URNs are used only within a closed community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Identifier uniqueness considerations:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      [...]  ETSI is expected to guarantee the uniqueness [...]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Formally, this registration is being submitted by ETSI, so it 
> >>>>>> reads oddly for ETSI to say "ETSI is expected...".   Much 
> >>>>>> better would be "ETSI will...".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Similarly, "ETSI could..." is used where it is more natural to 
> >>>>>> say "ETSI may...".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      Note that using experimental types may create
> >>>>>>      collision as multiple users may use the same values for 
> >>>>>> different
> >>>>>>      resources and specific strings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It would be very helpful if the registration stated how the 
> >>>>>> ETSI registry will make clear how to recognize experimental 
> >>>>>> URIs within the etsi namespace.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani
> >>>>> [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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