[urn] naming and the necessity of resolution
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 11 January 2012 23:29 UTC
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Subject: [urn] naming and the necessity of resolution
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<hat type='individual'/> On 12/22/11 3:17 AM, Juha Hakala wrote: > URNs and resolution services are parts of the URN system. Without > services URN assignment would not make sense. This is the core of my worry: you assume that URNs are worthless if they cannot be resolved. Yet the text you proposed includes these sentences: Resources identified with URNs may be abstract (e.g. works such as Shakespeare's Hamlet) or embodied in some physical form (PDF/A version of the Finnish translation of Hamlet). An abstract entity may have 0-n digital manifestations in the Internet (and other kind of manifestations in the physical world). To my mind, an abstract resource with zero manifestations is not the kind of thing that needs to be resolved. Examples might include: * the UUID C1A95067-9ECF-4983-9675-2B9CAA70BB11, which has a name of urn:uuid:C1A95067-9ECF-4983-9675-2B9CAA70BB11 * the SIEVE extension for a personal addressbook, which has a name of urn:ietf:params:sieve:addrbook:personal * the XML namespace used to advertise support for ZRTP by XMPP clients, which has a name of urn:xmpp:jingle:apps:rtp:zrtp:1 As far as I can see, these URNs do not need to be resolved, yet they are perfectly useful in the relevant applications. Indeed, I ask you to look at the IANA registry for formal URN namespaces at http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/ to see that many of these NIDs are used to assign URNs that name abstract resources with zero manifestations. Those URNs are just as valid and useful as URNs that name abstract resources with 1+ manifestations. I realize that resolution is important for the applications you care about, but those are not the only applications of interest to people who have minted URNs. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre http://stpeter.im/
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- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Juha Hakala
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Juha Hakala
- [urn] naming and the necessity of resolution Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] naming and the necessity of resolution Juha Hakala
- Re: [urn] naming and the necessity of resolution Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] naming and the necessity of resolution Juha Hakala
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [urn] I-D Action: draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bi… Peter Saint-Andre