Re: [urn] CTS and CITE2 URNs

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 25 March 2019 06:21 UTC

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From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
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Subject: Re: [urn] CTS and CITE2 URNs
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On 24.03.2019 23:16, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> The situation we are in as one of conflicing requirements:  (1) the need
> for URNs to absolutely follow the standard (RFC 8141), and (2) the need
> for them to be human-convenient.
>
> One way to square this circle would be to define two forms which are in
> one-to-one correspondence:  If it starts with "urn:", it is in URN
> format, and if it starts with "cts:" or "cite2:", it is in
> human-friendly format.  For example, we could define these two strings
> to be equivalent:
>
>      cts:greekLit:tlg5026.msA.hmt:1.2.lemma#μῆνις
>
 > ...

Even if it doesn't claim to be a RFC8141-URN, it would still need to be
a RFC3986-URI (right?); and the same restrictions would apply.

If you need non-URI-characters, just leverage RFC 3987.

Best regards, Julian