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From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
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Subject: Re: [urn] Registration request for urn:thread:
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On 1/29/24 1:06 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote:
> Esko Dijk <esko.dijk@iotconsultancy.nl> writes:
>>> Section 5.1 of RFC 8141 states:
>>>
>>>      Formal URN namespaces might be appropriate even when some
>>>      aspects are not fully open.  For example, a URN namespace might make
>>>      use of a fee-based, privately managed, or proprietary registry for
>>>      assignment of URNs in the URN namespace.  However, it might still
>>>      benefit some Internet users if the associated services have openly
>>>      published names.
>>>
>>> In this case, I would say that the letter of RFC 8141 overrides the
>>> spirit of the IETF.
>>
>> Indeed this section was the basis for including a privately managed
>> (members-only) and non-public registry in the request. (Non-public,
>> because viewing it requires accepting the EULA.)
>>
>> There is a suggestion there to have at least the names - that are in
>> the registry - published. That is something we could add as a
>> requirement for any entries in the internal registry, if that helps?
>>
>> The public version of the registry would be in a separate document
>> that can be downloaded from www.threadgroup.org without providing a
>> name or accepting a EULA. And each registered URN would provide the
>> name and a short description also.  Something like the table provided
>> by 3GPP
>> (https://www.3gpp.org/3gpp-groups/core-network-terminals-ct/ct-wg1/uniform-resource-identifier-uri-list)
>> for example.  It would then provide a link / doc-reference pointing
>> into the non-public specification.
> 
> Given what Peter and Lars have said (and what RFC 8141 says!), I agree
> that this is a reasonable solution to all of these concerns.

Excellent. I'm on board with this, as well.

Peter