Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID)
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From: "Svensson, Lars" <L.Svensson@dnb.de>
To: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>, "urn@ietf.org" <urn@ietf.org>
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Peter, all, On Tuesday, October 23, 2018 8:52 PM, Peter Saint-Andre [mailto:stpeter@mozilla.com] wrote: > Yesterday Mahesh submitted a revised I-D: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-04 > > Although I'd prefer to see more detail in the syntax description (which > exists in documentation on the ETSI site), as far as I can see all > issues have been addressed and this can move forward. No objection from me -- this spec can move forward. Thanks, Lars > On 8/14/18 1:20 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > During discussion with IANA, Lars noticed that the "Security and > > Privacy" section of the template says: > > > > If an namespace is URN-equivalent to another namespace used by the > > device, as per the rules specified in Section 3.1 of URNs [RFC8141], > > Section 6.1 of URI Generic Syntax [RFC3986], and the lexical rules > > specified in this document, the request is rejected. > > > > It would be helpful to clarify what kind of request is involved here > > (presumably a configuration or management request using YANG, but let's > > make that explicit). > > > > Also, the "Purpose" section says "the URN" in two places, but that > > should be "the URN namespace". > > > > The "Declaration of syntactic structure" section doesn't seem to reflect > > the structure of the examples (e.g., "urn:etsi:yang:etsi-services"). Do > > you foresee having additional "sub-identifiers" other than "yang"? > > > > Finally, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 uses the old template from RFC 3406, > > but IANA requires that registrations use the new template from RFC 8141. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Peter > > > > On 6/14/18 9:22 AM, Svensson, Lars wrote: > >> Apart from what Peter already said, I have no further comments on this draft, as > far as I'm concerned we're ready to proceed. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Lars > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: urn [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 2:57 AM > >>> To: urn@ietf.org > >>> Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahesh- > etsi- > >>> urn-03.txt (Was Re: URN expert review of 'etsi' NID) > >>> > >>> Thanks, Mahesh, that is helpful. > >>> > >>> I'm still not sure if we want to make a normative reference to RFC 1737 > >>> (an Informational RFC from 1994) in the Security Considerations section; > >>> do you feel that it discusses issues that we left out of RFC 8141? > >>> > >>> Other than that, the document looks ready to proceed. > >>> > >>> Peter > >>> > >>> On 6/13/18 5:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > >>>> ETSI has now published a web page that is publicly available and > >>>> describes the two questions outlined below. Please let us know if there > >>>> are any questions. > >>>> > >>>> https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/ETSIURNNamespace.aspx > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 8, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani > <mjethanandani@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The following update to the draft addresses the comments raised as > >>>>> part of expert review. The remaining action items are for us to make > >>>>> available a public version of the ancillary document, whose URL was > >>>>> provided in the draft, that describes: > >>>>> > >>>>> - the NSS namespace and how it will be allocated by ETSI > >>>>> - how a separate “root” namespace under the allocated URN can be used > >>>>> for experimental namespaces. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> A new version of I-D, draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt > >>>>> has been successfully submitted by Mahesh Jethanandani and posted to > the > >>>>> IETF repository. > >>>>> > >>>>> Name:draft-mahesh-etsi-urn > >>>>> Revision:03 > >>>>> Title:URN Namespace for ETSI Documents > >>>>> Document date:2018-06-08 > >>>>> Group:Individual Submission > >>>>> Pages:6 > >>>>> URL: > >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03.txt > >>>>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn/ > >>>>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 > >>>>> Htmlized: > >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mahesh-etsi-urn > >>>>> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-03 > >>>>> > >>>>> Abstract: > >>>>> This document describes the Namespace Identifier (NID) 'etsi' for > >>>>> Uniform Resource Names (URNs) used to identify resources published by > >>>>> European Telecommunications Standards Institute (http://etsi.org). > >>>>> ETSI specifies and manages resources that utilize this URN > >>>>> identification model. Management activities for these and other > >>>>> resources types are handled by the manager of the ETSI Protocol > >>>>> Naming and Numbering Service (PNNS). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > >>>>> submission > >>>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org > >>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org>. > >>>>> > >>>>> The IETF Secretariat > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Dale R. Worley <worley@ariadne.com > >>>>>> <mailto:worley@ariadne.com>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Comments on draft-mahesh-etsi-urn-02 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1.1. Terminology > >>>>>> > >>>>>> | PNNS | Protocol Name and Numbering Service | > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It would be helpful to state that PNNS is an ETSI function: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> | PNNS | ETSI Protocol Name and Numbering Service | > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Declaration of syntactic structure: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The syntax of namespace specific strings for the 'etsi' namespace > >>>>>> is <NSS> in Uniform Resource Names (URNs) [RFC8141]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is completely legitimate, but it is not satisfying. If ETSI has > >>>>>> plans for how it will organize the space of NSSs, it would be nice to > >>>>>> describe them here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Relevant ancillary documentation: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ETSI publishes information regarding the registered resources in > >>>>>> the ETSI URN Namespace (EUN) registry > >>>>>> (https://portal.etsi.org/PNNS/GenericAllocation/ > >>>>>> ETSIURNNamespace.aspx). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's good that ETSI gives the URL of its URN registry; many other > >>>>>> organizations do not. However, I notice that that URL is > >>>>>> password-protected. It would be much better for the community if the > >>>>>> registry was readable by the world, since there is no stated intention > >>>>>> that etsi URNs are used only within a closed community. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Identifier uniqueness considerations: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [...] ETSI is expected to guarantee the uniqueness [...] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Formally, this registration is being submitted by ETSI, so it reads > >>>>>> oddly for ETSI to say "ETSI is expected...". Much better would be > >>>>>> "ETSI will...". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Similarly, "ETSI could..." is used where it is more natural to say "ETSI > >>>>>> may...". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Note that using experimental types may create > >>>>>> collision as multiple users may use the same values for different > >>>>>> resources and specific strings. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It would be very helpful if the registration stated how the ETSI > >>>>>> registry will make clear how to recognize experimental URIs within the > >>>>>> etsi namespace. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dale > >>>>> > >>>>> Mahesh Jethanandani > >>>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com <mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> urn mailing list > >>>> urn@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > >>>> > >> > >
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahe… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahe… Mahesh Jethanandani
- [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Ignas Bagdonas
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Dale R. Worley
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [urn] URN expert review of 'etsi' NID Mahesh Jethanandani
- [urn] New Version Notification for draft-mahesh-e… Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Svensson, Lars
- Re: [urn] [Marketing Mail] Re: New Version Notifi… Hakala, Juha E