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Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 30 July 2022 22:25 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 15:24:46 -0700
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To: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
Cc: Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca>, draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis.all@ietf.org, "art@ietf.org" <art@ietf.org>, last-call@ietf.org, uta@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09
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On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 12:41 PM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im>
wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> The authors have conferred on this and at this time we don't think that
> we can recommend anything other than EC ciphers, for several reasons:
>
> 1. DHE negotiation is broken.
>
> 2. Static RSA is out of the question.
>
> 3. Post-quantum (PQ) methods aren't ready yet.
>
> Our forecast is that a few years from now the PQ methods will be ready
> for recommending in 7525ter, but for now EC is the best we can do.
>

I agree with the authors on leaving the draft as-is. However, it should
also be pointed out that the document delegates this choice to TLS1.3, if
it's in use.[0]

So, deployments also have the option to switch to TLS1.3 if a problem
arises with EC and TLS1.2, right?

thanks,
Rob

[0]
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis#section-4.3

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