Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Tue, 08 January 2019 17:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Proposal
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In article <87k1jfi2dd.fsf@fifthhorseman.net> you write: >I think the community would welcome that, but figuring out what specific >timeline is plausible; getting affirmative buy-in; setting up adequate >testing and notice; etc, is the real work involved. It won't happen >just by wishing it. MTA-STS does a great deal of this. It has a way for a domain to say "all my inbound mail uses TLS" (RFC 8461) and for other systems to report back and say whether they're actually seeing that (RFC 8460.) I don't understand why people are trying to reinvent the wheel when we just defined a fairly round one a few months ago. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
- [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS Pro… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Grant Taylor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Margolis
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Franck Martin
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jim Fenton
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann
- [Uta] Deprecating "Opportunistic TLS" (not) Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Alice Wonder
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Jeremy Harris
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… John R Levine
- Re: [Uta] SMTP Over TLS on Port 26 - Implicit TLS… Peter Gutmann