Re: [v4tov6transition] i am not troubled (was Re: troubling survey)

  Sad but true.  90% awareness is actually very encouraging, and I'm 
more concerned about providing the information about the tools that 
those folks need to move forward.   There is a lot of relevant work in 
IETF, but may not be as widely recognized as it could be.  Some small 
effort to organize and catalog that to remove some of the FUD wouldn't hurt.

As to the last 10% a line I've used a couple places is " Nothing compels 
the elimination of IPv4; no protocol police will forbid its use in the 
foreseeable future.  IPv4 may disappear due to irrelevance when IPv6 is 
so pervasive to make it redundant."

Over time the cost, complexity and inconvenience of coexistence should 
shift from the burden being on the "early adopters" of IPv6 to the IPv4 
dead-enders.

On 9/17/2010 1:12 PM, james woodyatt wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2010, at 09:56, Ed Jankiewicz wrote:
>> Yes, it's good that 90% of the survey respondents had some idea about IPv6.  It is just very surprising that at this point in time anyone could respond "no plans to make plans."
> To be fair, we don't know how many of those 10%, who profess to have no plans to implement IPv6, are saying that because they plan to shut down their ISP business before the IPv6 wave can possibly crash on their heads.  It's probably a non-zero percentage.  Some may be perfectly happy to continue providing IPv4-only service on the cheap, into the foreseeable future, to subscribers with no plans to expand or to keep up with the rest of the world.  It's going to be a niche.  Not sure how big it will be.
>
>> And folks are still surprised to find out "no, we really mean it.  No more big chunks of IPv4 available."   Sadly, we still have an educational role to play.
> - You cannot awaken someone who is pretending to be asleep.
> - You cannot educate someone whose salary depends on their remaining ignorant.
> - The plainest print cannot be read through a solid gold sovereign.
>
> I don't see our job in IETF to educate or to sound any alarms on this.  I'd prefer to see us concentrate on engineering efforts to make transitioning go more smoothly.
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