Re: [v4v6interim] You have been dugg!

"Dan Wing" <dwing@cisco.com> Fri, 10 October 2008 15:32 UTC

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From: Dan Wing <dwing@cisco.com>
To: 'Turchanyi Geza' <turchanyi.geza@gmail.com>, 'Rémi Després' <remi.despres@free.fr>
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Subject: Re: [v4v6interim] You have been dugg!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: v4v6interim-bounces@ietf.org 
> [mailto:v4v6interim-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Turchanyi Geza
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:09 AM
> To: Rémi Després
> Cc: v4v6interim@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [v4v6interim] You have been dugg!
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Well, SAM is an interesting idea.
> 
> HOWEVER: if we can implement new software (almost)everywhere, than why
> not to use IPv6 everywhere?

Because there is no content on IPv6 yet.  Visit
http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?ts_mode=global&lang=none and
do AAAA queries against those websites.

-d


> I missed the point: what can be kept unchanged in the SAM scenario?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geza
> 
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Rémi Després 
> <remi.despres@free.fr> wrote:
> > Iljitsch van Beijnum   (m/j/a) 10/7/08 3:46 PM:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> http://digg.com/tech_news/IETF_working_on_making_IPv6_and_IPv4
> _talk_to_each_other
> >
> > Very clear article, and very nice reading :-).
> >
> > It would have been more accurate, though, if the A+P and 
> SAM approaches
> > would at least have been listed. (Having NAT64, DS Lite and 
> IVI as the
> > complete list of solutions discussed "to make the IPv4 
> world talk to the
> > (future) IPv6 world" is missing something.)
> >
> > Worth being remembered: SAM has more potential than other 
> solutions for
> > IPv4-only clients to reach an IPv6 capable server that only 
> has a shared
> > IPv4 address (with a restricted port range, accessible via tunnels).
> >
> > In particular, in draft-despres-SAM-v4v6coexistenceScenarios-00,
> > scenario C is as follows (simplified to have encapsulation 
> in IPv6 only,
> > and complemented to show on it supports connections both ways).
> >
> >
> >
> > +------+                                    +--------+   Global
> > | SAM  |           +---------+              |  SAM   |  Internet
> > | host |--site v6--| SAM CPE |-- ISP v6 ----| ISP GW |<--- v4 -->
> > +------+           +---------+              +--------+
> >
> >  SAM <--- v4/v6 -->SAM1 SAM2<---- v4/v6 ---> SAM <----- v4 ---->
> >    :                    :                      :
> >    '- Port restricted   '- Stateless CPE       '--- Stateless GW
> >          socket interface
> >
> >
> >        <---- transparency to global v4 packets ----->
> >             (outgoing AND incoming connections)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > RD
> >
> >
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