Re: [v4v6interim] [46translation] [BEHAVE] Proposal for new BEHAVE charter

Mark Townsley <townsley@cisco.com> Thu, 23 October 2008 14:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v4v6interim] [46translation] [BEHAVE] Proposal for new BEHAVE charter
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Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
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> What we could do is come up with a stateless, transport-agnostic 
> 1-to-1 NAT66 spec so we at least avoid the port overloading and 
> nothing much breaks except referrals.
I agree that this, together with text touching on why port translation 
hurts, some of Dave Thaler's thoughts on topology hiding, etc. could be 
helpful to have waiting in the wings in the event that someone does 
decide they must do NAT66.

- Mark
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