Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment

Yannis Nikolopoulos <yanodd@otenet.gr> Mon, 05 April 2021 18:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-vf-v6ops-ipv6-deployment
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Jordi,

it was vendor-related but the decision was purely commercial (hence the 
dissapointment). I wish I could name the technical people involved as 
they did a remarkable job on the implementation

regrds,
Yannis

On 4/4/21 11:40 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> Hi Yannis,
>
> I've no doubt that you explained it before, I just missed it.
>
> However, I'm aware of a couple of lw4o6 deployments that worded fine (I will try to see if I could convince the people involved in speaking up in the list, as I'm not sure the info is public yet). So, I'm guessing that it is something related to one specific vendor. I think we all know that sometimes, good protocols have bad implementations
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>   
>   
>
> El 2/4/21 17:11, "v6ops en nombre de Yannis Nikolopoulos" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de yanodd@otenet.gr> escribió:
>
>      Hi Jordi,
>
>      On 4/1/21 8:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>      > Hi Yannis,
>      >
>      > When you say inmaturity of lw4o6, do you mean that something in the protocol is broken, lack of support from vendors or something else?
>
>      as I've written in the past, we had performance issues with our lwaftr
>      and the vendor was reluctant to continue (much needed) dev/ment because
>      of lack of interest from other ISPs. I would imagine that things haven't
>      improved much during the past 3 years :(
>
>      regards,
>      Yannis
>
>      >
>      > Regards,
>      > Jordi
>      > @jordipalet
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > El 1/4/21 17:23, "v6ops en nombre de Yannis Nikolopoulos" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de yanodd@otenet.gr> escribió:
>      >
>      >      Hello Brian,
>      >
>      >      On 3/31/21 11:05 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>      >      > Yannis,
>      >      > On 31-Mar-21 20:25, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
>      >      >>
>      >      >> On 3/30/21 11:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>      >      >>> On 31-Mar-21 07:33, Yannis Nikolopoulos wrote:
>      >      >>>> On 3/28/21 9:47 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>      >      >>>>> Dual stack has no time limit
>      >      >>>> (for us ISPs) it has, it painfully has, if your user base is still growing
>      >      >>> Isn't that what CGN was invented for? That's the incumbent technology, with IPv4aaS as a new alternative.
>      >      >> Yes, but CGN usually implies single stack, hence my comment.
>      >      > That isn't clear to me. Maybe I am biased because of the model
>      >      > described by https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6264.
>      >
>      >      well, 6264 (combined with the immaturity of lw4o6) was the inspiration
>      >      we needed to rethink our NAT444 a few years back, so thank you :)
>      >
>      >      regards,
>      >      Yannis
>      >      >      Brian
>      >      >
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