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Re: [v6ops] PI heresy

joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Fri, 13 November 2015 00:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] PI heresy
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On 11/12/15 3:50 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 13/11/2015 10:48, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>
>> In message <95BC3D07-EF27-45A9-A1E0-12F9B43061C7@delong.com>, Owen DeLong write
>> s:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:43 , Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:36:06AM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>>>> The IETF world does not (at least "should not") revolve around "companies
>>> ",
>>>>>> and I wish you good luck finding a SoHo ISP that will route your PI space
>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> 2620:0:930::/48
>>>>
>>>> This is not a typical SoHo ISP.
>>>>
>>>> Try finding one which is not your employer.
>>>
>>> neither of the upstreams for that address employs me at this time.
>>>
>>> Admittedly I did use to work for ONE of the two, but anyone can get that one 
>>> to route their /48.
>>
>> And how many SME's are there in the world?  This paper [1] puts the
>> number at 125M MSME world wide.  That's 125M routing slots if
>> everyone gets a /48.
> 
> Thanks for that reference. My estimate of 10M was based on some hand-waving
> arguments about how many SMEs might seriously want to be multihomed; IMHO
> most of them will be perfectly happy with PA addressing because they will
> have anything that needs a stable address hosted anyway. Most SOHOs just don't
> care, and get renumbered without knowing it after power fails etc. Homenet
> takes this as a given, of course.

http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/plota?file=%2fvar%2fdata%2fbgp%2fas2.0%2fbgp-as-count%2etxt&descr=Unique%20ASes&ylabel=Unique%20ASes&with=step

>     Brian
> 
> 
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> [1] http://www.ifc.org/wps/wcm/connect/9ae1dd80495860d6a482b519583b6d16/MSME-CI-AnalysisNote.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
>>
>>> Owen
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