Re: [v6ops] draft-lencse-v6ops-transition-scalability

Gábor LENCSE <lencse@hit.bme.hu> Mon, 27 June 2022 07:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-lencse-v6ops-transition-scalability
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Dear Brian,

Thank you, I will do so.

Best regards,

Gábor


2022.06.27. 0:10 keltezéssel, Brian E Carpenter írta:
> Hi Gábor,
>
> I think your suggestion at the end is a good one. This topic is 
> important, and such measurements will be useful, and an 
> overview/summary as an RFC seems valuable too. Maybe your I-D needs to 
> continue as a living repository for a while, until you have advanced 
> in your project.
>
> Regards
>    Brian
>
> On 27-Jun-22 07:02, Gábor LENCSE wrote:
>> Dear Brian,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your review and comments! Please see my 
>> answers inline.
>>
>> 2022.06.19. 23:08 keltezéssel, Brian E Carpenter írta:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Looking at this, it's very interesting, but it reads more like a 
>>> paper I'd expect to see presented at a measurement conference than 
>>> an IETF document.
>>
>> You are completely wright: I can't deny that I am an academic 
>> researcher and my main research area is benchmarking. :-)
>>
>> I still hope that my results regarding the scalability of the various 
>> IPv4aaS IPv6 transitions will be useful for the IPv6 network operators.
>>
>> *Operators, please let me know, what you think!*
>>
>> (If the operators do not find this draft useful, then I should rather 
>> write academic papers from these measurement results.)
>>
>>> Viewed that way, it seems to lack two aspects:
>>>
>>> 1) An introduction that provides background and context for the 
>>> reader - for example, it assumes that the reader knows what 
>>> 'iptables' is, and what 'Jool' is.
>>
>> Thank you, I will add this information in the next version.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) A summary of the results and a discussion of what they mean, and 
>>> what the next steps should be.
>>
>> I can add the analysis of the results easily, but regarding the "next 
>> steps" I am in a trouble. I mean that what I want to do is to measure 
>> the scalability of the various implementations of the different 
>> technologies, but, I feel that I should leave the decision for the 
>> operators, which technology and which implementation they want to 
>> use. Scalability is only one aspect of these technologies. There are 
>> a lot of other aspects discussed in "Pros and Cons of IPv6 Transition 
>> Technologies for IPv4aaS" available from: 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-comparison
>> (My current draft intends to support that one with measurement 
>> results regarding the scalability of the technologies.)
>>
>>>
>>> With that content added, we could evaluate whether it fits in the IETF.
>>
>> In fact, the current version is only a kind of a "trailer" of what I 
>> want to do, that is, the scalability analysis of the most important 
>> free software implementations of all five IPv4aaS solutions (464XLAT, 
>> DS-Lite, MAP-E, MAP-T, lw4o6). It will be a lot of work and time.
>>
>> Brian, as you know the academic world well, I would like to ask your 
>> advise. Perhaps, I should publish open access journal papers about 
>> the details the benchmarking of each technology, and include their 
>> findings into this draft. Thus the operators can find a good overview 
>> and they can check all the details in the papers.
>>
>> What do you think of it?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Gábor
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>    Brian Carpenter
>>>
>>> On 20-Jun-22 06:00, Fred Baker wrote:
>>>> With this email, let me invite commentary 
>>>> on draft-lencse-v6ops-transition-scalability. Please read the draft 
>>>> and raise any issues you might have with it.
>>>>
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