Re: [v6ops] privacy point re. unsolicited NA / router neighbor cache

Jen Linkova <furry13@gmail.com> Wed, 24 July 2019 12:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] privacy point re. unsolicited NA / router neighbor cache
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:02 PM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
> > 2. is whoever configured multicast competent?
>
> The general assumption for on-link multicast should be "it's broadcast
> or it is getting lost".

I'd disagree with that statement but your experience may vary indeed.
I'll add more text describing different scenarios but off top of my
head using NA has one advantage over DAD:
it reduces probability of disruption in case of address conflicts
(again, for the rare scenario when the rightful owner does not have a
cache entry for some reason).

Ah, as I've said, my experience is that DAD packets have less chances
to get through 'smart' WiFi infrastructure.

> The general idea that on-link multicast is a positive aspect of IPv6
> is nice, but wrong.

I see a subtle difference between 'wrong' and 'not true for every network'.

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SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry