Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile ?
joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Mon, 02 February 2015 16:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile ?
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On 2/2/15 2:07 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > Re-, > > > > I’m not a chair nor an AD but, but as an editor of the document, I don’t > see what changed since the consensus was declared for this document > SEVERAL times. It's not your role to declare consensus. as I noted previously: ... One point on that. Part of the reason we are engaged canvasing, is that Brian's discuss questioned my interpretation of the consensus call. Given that I conceded from the outset that the call is somewhat narrow, one of the questions before us as a w.g. and the ietf community is, is that consensus more unequivocal? Brian I believe is willing to extended the benefit of the doubt. So am I, but it's the working group's document... ... > > What’s new in the document that breaks the consensus? > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > *De :*Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:lorenzo@google.com] > *Envoyé :* lundi 2 février 2015 08:12 > *À :* joel jaeggli; v6ops-chairs@tools.ietf.org > *Cc :* Gert Doering; > draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile.all@tools.ietf.org; V6 Ops List; > BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN > *Objet :* Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile ? > > > > [Editing subject for for visibility; +v6ops-chairs since this is their > bailiwick] > > > > Forgive me for being ignorant on these procedural points, but... it > seems to me that if there is no longer consensus in the WG that this > document should be published, then it should not be published - > regardless of what procedural steps the document has been through > already. Am I mistaken? > > > > If I am correct, then we should make sure that we still have consensus > to proceed before we do anything else. The response to this thread > suggests that there may not be consensus, but hopefully it deciding the > question should be as simple as issuing another consensus call. > > > > Regards, > > Lorenzo > > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:40 PM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote: > > Hi Joel, > > Which consensus are your talking about?: The one for adopting the > document as a WG item?, the first one declared by the WG before sending > it to the IESG? the second one declared by the WG to send the document > to the IESG?, or the IETF consensus that was declared before the IESG > starts its review? > > Cheers, > Med > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : joel jaeggli [mailto:joelja@bogus.com <mailto:joelja@bogus.com>] > Envoyé : samedi 31 janvier 2015 21:49 > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN; Gert Doering > Cc : draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile.all@tools.ietf.org > <mailto:draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile.all@tools.ietf.org>; V6 > Ops List > > Objet : Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call > > On 1/30/15 4:21 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: >> Re-, >> >> With all due respect, I'm afraid we are not discussing whether the >> document is needed or not but (as I see it) whether the new version >> does not break the WG consensus that was declared for the version >> sent to the IESG. I recall that both the WG and IETF consensus were >> declared for the version sent to the IESG. > > One point on that. Part of the reason we are engaged canvasing, is that > Brian's discussed questioned my interpretation of the consensus call. > Given that I conceded from the outset that the call is somewhat narrow, > one of the questions before us as a w.g. and the ietf community is, is > that consensus more unequivocal? Brian I believe is willing to extended > the benefit of the doubt. So am I, but it's the working groups document... > > thanks > > joel > >> Thank you. >> >> Cheers, Med >> >> -----Message d'origine----- De : Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net > <mailto:gert@space.net>] >> Envoyé : vendredi 30 janvier 2015 11:39 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed >> IMT/OLN Cc : Gert Doering; Ole Troan; Fred Baker (fred); >> draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile.all@tools.ietf.org > <mailto:draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile.all@tools.ietf.org>; V6 Ops >> List Objet : Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last >> call >> >> Hi, >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 09:12:16AM +0000, >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: >>> Can you please help us identifying technical flaws that you think >>> need to be fixed in the document? >> >> I don't think there is a need for this document, and I can't truly >> see it reflecting WG consensus. So it's more fundamental than just >> individual technical issues. >> >> For the specifics, everything that Lorenzo said. >> >> Gert Doering -- NetMaster >> > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > > >
- [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mo… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mo… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mo… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mo… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Consensus call on draft-ietf-v6ops-mo… joel jaeggli