Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Sun, 26 December 2010 07:04 UTC
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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:06:36 +0100
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2010, teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: > The 6RD does not really help in 3GPP based cellular networks, because > the root cause is not lack of technologies to offer IPv6 connectivity, > but lack of business interest to do so. And when the business interest > really arises the small problems like lack of baseband IPv6 support and > such are sure to be promptly fixed. 6RD might be of help if this means an old device can gain DS connectivity by means of installing an app (I have no idea if it can be done for Apple iOS and Android devices) where the baseband upgrade would cost money and the vendor is not interested in forking out this money for devices already sold. And the rest of your email just describes why short sighted market economy often doesn't do the right long term thing, but discussing this would be a political discussion so let's not get into that. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Fred Baker
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Behcet Sarikaya
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile teemu.savolainen
- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Rémi Després
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- Re: [v6ops] IPv6 for mobile Mikael Abrahamsson
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