[v6ops] Re: 464XLAT-only networks

[Lorenzo Colitti <[e-mail]>]

Yes, but IPv6 *can* provide global end-to-end connectivity, because users
can (and usually do) get public addresses. IPv4 can't.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024, 20:02 Soni "It/Its" L., <[e-mail]> wrote:

> that's false, ipv6 is not any more globally reachable than ipv4.
>
> it's called a firewall.
>
> on the other hand, our friends seem most intimidated by the ipv6 addresses
> themselves. 464XLAT-only maps what they're familiar with (ipv4) into what
> they're unfamiliar with (ipv6), breaking that barrier.
>
> once you break that barrier, the routing concepts themselves are basically
> the same.
>
> On 2024-10-25 07:57, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
>
> But such a network won't teach students how IPv6 works or what it's good
> at (global reachability). Why not just use IPv4? It's an IPv4-only network
> after all ..
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024, 21:15 Soni L., <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> some providers still don't do ipv6, maybe you still want to migrate your
>> internal network to ipv6 to get it ready for future provider upgrades.
>>
>> or maybe you want to develop an ipv6-only consumer/SOHO router that works
>> on ipv4-only ISPs.
>>
>> or maybe you want to deploy a rogue ipv6-only network on an otherwise
>> ipv4-only organization, to prove a point.
>>
>> there are a few hypothetical use-cases.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024, 08:32 Gert Doering <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 07:32:45AM -0300, Soni L. wrote:
>>> > we would like to propose a bastardization of IPv6-only networks and
>>> > 464XLAT: the 464XLAT-only network.
>>> >
>>> > it's a network that doesn't provide access to the IPv6 internet, but
>>> does
>>> > provide access to the IPv4 internet via 464XLAT.
>>> >
>>> > thoughts?
>>>
>>> "why"?
>>>
>>> (As in "why bother with an IPv6 based transition technology when you
>>> do not have outside IPv6, which is ways easier to get done than to
>>> move existing internal networks to v6-only")
>>>
>>> Gert Doering
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