Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment report" - not to be an ietf-v6ops I.D.
Joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Mon, 20 February 2012 17:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment report" - not to be an ietf-v6ops I.D.
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On 2/20/12 09:23 , Rémi Després wrote: > Cameron, > Le 2012-02-20 à 16:32, Cameron Byrne a écrit : >> >> I have brought to softwires the concern that stateless core NAT64 is >> not acceptable given the address efficiency issues (please don't blast >> me about how my issues are non-issues). > > I never did, I hope, but I think I rather asked about real order of magnitudes of your problem. > Didn't get it yet. Running a network with 30 million users and a /15 ip addresses is the right order of magnitude to describe tmob. There are networks that are larger but with proportionally fewer and smaller networks with a lot less. > Ideally that would include the number of simultaneous devices to be supported, and the size of the IPv4 space available, with lengths of IPv4 prefixes that compose it. > In any case, your requirement is yours, and some other operators do have different requirements (tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-00.html). > That's why some coordination makes sense. > >> On the softwire list, i >> brought this up and was told a /14 of IPv4 was probably needed to meet >> a mid to large size wireless operator. >> Unfortunately, these address >> are not available in APNIC today and will not be available in ARIN or >> RIPE in the very near future.... considering the timeline scope the >> IETF operates at. That said, the stateless solutions have an audience >> with network operators that already have large allocations and wish to >> be more efficient. That's great, live and let live.
- [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment rep… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Victor Kuarsingh
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… tsavo.stds@gmail.com
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Wojciech Dec
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Satoru Matsushima
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rajiv Asati (rajiva)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Rémi Després
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Washam Fan
- Re: [v6ops] draft-464XLAT not a "trial deployment… Cameron Byrne