[v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt
Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> Mon, 17 July 2017 17:47 UTC
Return-Path: <nick@foobar.org>
X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AF012F4B2 for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vtyvpnq6IRhb for <v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71ECE1289B0 for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
X-Envelope-To: <v6ops@ietf.org>
Received: from cupcake.local (089-101-195156.ntlworld.ie [89.101.195.156] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v6HHl3pi075374 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <v6ops@ietf.org>; Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:47:04 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org)
X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host 089-101-195156.ntlworld.ie [89.101.195.156] (may be forged) claimed to be cupcake.local
Message-ID: <596CF817.8040900@foobar.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:47:03 +0100
From: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
User-Agent: Postbox 5.0.15 (Macintosh/20170609)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/5x3eUTkXR0lAdxoBf_ktUqhWgTE>
Subject: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt
X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: v6ops discussion list <v6ops.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/v6ops/>
List-Post: <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops>, <mailto:v6ops-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:47:09 -0000
draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 has just been posted as an ID. It has recently been claimed that IETF best current practice is that DHCPv6 is not recommended due to the recommendations section in RFC7934/BCP204. The relevant text was slipped into draft-ietf-v6ops-host-addr-availability-05 on Feb 12, 2016, a couple of days before the document went into IETF LC. There was no discussion about this text change either in the v6ops working group or at IETF review or IESG level: perhaps the modification appeared innocuous or maybe it just wasn't not noticed. Next thing, there's a BCP which is being interpreted as meaning that DHCPv6 is NOT RECOMMENDED for operational use. Wow. :-) This presents a variety of problems, the most serious of which are 1) that a BCP is implying that the use of DHCPv6 was "NOT RECOMMENDED" without extensive discussion or debate about this particular issue at the relevant working group, and ignores the both the widespread use of the protocol and its active development at the ietf, and 2) that a change in the status of DHCPv6 to "NOT RECOMMENDED" leaves a huge hole in the IPv6 host specification. Job and I believe that this went through by mistake and that if the WG had noticed the change at the time, consensus would never have been reached on what is a serious semantic change to IETF lore. Right now, the most prudent course of action would be to roll back the change until a proper debate has been had. We invite WG comments on this doc. Nick internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A new version of I-D, draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Nick Hilliard and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update > Revision: 00 > Title: Update for IPv6 Host Address Availability Recommendations > Document date: 2017-07-17 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 4 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hilliard-v6ops-host-addr-update-00 > > > Abstract: > The IPv6 Host Address Availability Recommendations Best Current > Practice (RFC 7934), describes why IPv6 hosts should use multiple > global addresses when attaching to a network. This document updates > RFC 7934 by removing a recommendation for networks to give the host > the ability to use new addresses without requiring explicit requests. > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat >
- [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-h… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Job Snijders
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… james woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Scott Morizot
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7934 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Jen Linkova
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] New Version Notification for draft-hi… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: New Version Notification for dra… Nick Hilliard