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X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:19:22 -0000 A note from our illustrious AD. Please read and consider. > On Feb 7, 2022, at 8:41 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > Hi there all, > An ongoing topic in the IETF & IESG is how to grow the IETF = "leadership pipeline", so that when we need new AD and / or chairs, we = have good candidates. >=20 > Currently when a new WG is being formed, or when a new chair needs to = be appointed he process goes something like this (with some added = hyperbole): > The AD(s) thinks "Hmmm.. I need a chair for FOOWG, and so I need = someone who understands FOO protocol. Erm.... Oh! Mary! Mary knows FOO, = and she's sane and friendly and organized and will keep things moving. = Everyone knows Mary, she's strong enough to push back on the crazy, = she'll keep the meetings running along... She has the added advantage of = not working for the same company as $other_chair, but gets on well with = $other_chair. Oh! She's also already chaired BARWG and BAZWG and that = went OK... She's perfect, I'll appoint Mary!".=20 >=20 > (In practice there is usually also discussions with the other chair = (if any), a mail to the WG asking for volunteers, some discussions with = key WG participants to see if they have any suggestions, etc, but there = is still a tendency / bias to appoint someone known to the AD / "the = obvious" candidate / people who have already demonstrated competence. = Clearly this is suboptimal...) >=20 > Often, when appointing a chair, there is a bit of a rush - a meeting = is coming up, a new WG is being formed, etc, and people who would make = good candidates are overlooked, or are not really confident enough to = put themselves forward for a specific role.=20 >=20 > So, what I'd like to try is asking for volunteers who'd like to be = considered when we are looking for chairs. In some cases it is important = that the chair(s) are experts in the technology - but a lot of chairing = also involves more general technical knowledge, = "leadership"/diplomacy/mediation, organizational skills, babysitting, = etc.=20 >=20 > I've created a Google form to record answers / help me keep track of = volunteers: https://forms.gle/P8dZ8diT7Y5kFsNA7 >=20 > Don't worry, filling in the form isn't a commitment to serve, but = rather a "Hey, I'm interested, please keep me in mind when choosing a = new FOOWG chair". > Information will be shared with the current (and future) Ops & Mgmt = ADs, unless you tick the "Any WG in the IETF", in which case your = interest will be shared with other IESG members. >=20 > Obviously, if you are not comfortable filling in the form but still = want to volunteer, just email Warren and/or Rob. >=20 > Also, as always, if you have any questions, comments, etc do the = same.... > Warren and Rob >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Perhaps they really do strive for incomprehensibility in their specs. > After all, when the liturgy was in Latin, the laity knew their place. > -- Michael Padlipsky