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Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations - work or abandon?

Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Fri, 13 November 2015 13:50 UTC

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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-ula-usage-recommendations - work or abandon?
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2015, Nick Hilliard wrote:

> On 13/11/2015 13:27, Michael H Lambert wrote:
>>> On 13 Nov 2015, at 07:49, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
>>> Also, why should a core router in Europe have to care about an office connection being affected by something on the other side of the globe?
>>
>> Indeed.  Unless one is intentionally trying to design a chaotic system.
>
> The type of chaos which which involves most ASNs having a full view of the
> Internet is less bad than the type where only a handful of them do.

If the Internet will have 10x the number of routes it has today in the 
not-so-distant-future, there is a considerable risk that most smaller 
players won't be able to afford to have a full view.

I already know people today who do route filtering because their 
devices might only have 256k TCAM slots.

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Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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