Re: [v6ops] What ie a site? (was: WGLC: draft-ietf-v6ops-dhcp-pd-per-device-02)

Hi Jordi,

On 06-Nov-23 22:25, jordi.palet@consulintel.es wrote:
> Yep, it was amended here:
> 
> <https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-06/draft>
> 
> 
> Gert is right, we talk about each location for any end-user.
> 
> I disagree that the barber-shop is not and end-site, actually if they have 3 locations, they have 3 end-sites. They have the right to get a PI for each location if they wish, 

A *right*? Really? Economically, that makes no sense, because buying service for that from one (or several) ISPs, rather than a standard PA service from a single ISP, is quite unreasonable for a small business.

> because they want to multi-home or whatever. We get into routing problems, yeah, we should fix those! But this is a different discussion.

Not really. The main reason for conservative RIR policies is to avoid the nightmare where we need 10 million BGP entries instead of 200,000. (And the curve is looking quite steep: https://bgp.potaroo.net/v6/as2.0/index.html .)

     Brian

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> @jordipalet
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> 
>> El 6 nov 2023, a las 8:11, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 05, 2023 at 04:57:56PM -0600, David Farmer wrote:
>>> This is an issue of RIR policy and should not be a direct consideration of
>>> the IPv6 architecture. However, the argument has been raised as an
>>> objection to this draft that an organization can only get a single /48 from
>>> RIPE. This is bad policy on RIPE's part and not a valid reason to keep this
>>> Draft from moving forward.
>>
>> RIPE's IPv6 PI policy talks about "sites", not "organizations".  So that
>> statement above is not correct.
>>
>> That said, going for PI has to be the exception, not the general case for
>> end sites ("a barber shop is an end site, too") - due to unsolved routing
>> table scaling.
>>
>> Gert Doering
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