Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call - v4/v6 PDP-contexts and APNs
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call - v4/v6 PDP-contexts and APNs
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Le 12/02/2015 10:36, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > I think this note can be added to C_REC#6 not C_REC#1. I made this change in my local copy: > > OLD: > C_REC#6: The cellular host must be able to be configured to limit > PDP type(s) for a given APN. The default mode is to allow > all supported PDP types. Note, C_REC#2 discusses the > default behavior for requesting PDP-Context type(s). > > This feature is useful to drive the behavior of the UE > to be aligned with: (1) service-specific constraints > such as the use of IPv6-only for VoLTE (Voice over LTE), > (2) network conditions with regards to the support of > specific PDP types (e.g., IPv4v6 PDP-Context is not > supported), (3) IPv4 sunset objectives, (4) subscription > data, etc. > > NEW: > > C_REC#6: The cellular host must be able to be configured to limit > PDP type(s) for a given APN. The default mode is to allow > all supported PDP types. Note, C_REC#2 discusses the > default behavior for requesting PDP-Context type(s). > > This feature is useful to drive the behavior of the UE > to be aligned with: (1) service-specific constraints > such as the use of IPv6-only for VoLTE (Voice over LTE), > (2) network conditions with regards to the support of > specific PDP types (e.g., IPv4v6 PDP-Context is not > supported), (3) IPv4 sunset objectives, (4) subscription > data, etc. > > Note, a cellular host changing its connection between an > IPv6-specific APN and an IPv4-specific APN restarts the > ongoing applications. This is a brokenness situation. > > > Please let me know if this is OK. Thank you. YEs, this note is OK, thanks. Alex > > Cheers, > Med > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com] > Envoyé : mercredi 11 février 2015 15:15 > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN; v6ops@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call - v4/v6 PDP-contexts and APNs > > Le 11/02/2015 14:30, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com a écrit : >> Hi Alex, >> >> The draft includes this text: >> >> Some of the features listed in this profile document require to >> activate dedicated functions at the network side. It is out of >> scope of this document to list these network-side functions. >> >> This I-D cannot mandate the behavior of the network side as it is up >> to the taste of each operator. >> >> Saying that, if you believe there is a service/application brokenness >> risk due to some kind of policy enforced at the network side with >> regards to the management of PDP contexts and APNs, I see a value in >> adding a "note" to record it. > > Note: a smartphone changing its connection between an APN-v6 and an > APN-v4 block-restarts the ongoing applications. This is a brokenness > situation. > > Alex > >> >> Cheers, Med >> >> -----Message d'origine----- De : v6ops >> [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandru Petrescu >> Envoyé : mercredi 11 février 2015 12:03 À : v6ops@ietf.org Objet : >> Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call - v4/v6 >> PDP-contexts and APNs >> >> Le 11/02/2015 10:43, Lorenzo Colitti a écrit : >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 12:51 AM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com >>> <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote: >>> >>> The document was adopted by the WG and passed both the WG and IETF >>> LCs with that scope. I naively assumed that this point is not >>> anymore an issue given that the draft passed major milestones >>> (several WGLCs, IETF LC) and the IETF consensus declared for it >>> means this is not an issue to advance the document. >>> >>> I think that assumption is incorrect, given Fred's explicit >>> statement on this thread, "Before I bother the IESG with it a third >>> time, I'd really like to hear a clear consensus, not a rough one." >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops/current/msg21229.html >> >> LEt me try to understand - are we trying to identify consensus? Or >> can we still discuss the requirements per se? >> >> To me, the latter has its importance as well. >> >> For example: >>> C_REC#1: In order to allow each operator to select their own >>> strategy regarding IPv6 introduction, the cellular host must >>> support both IPv6 and IPv4v6 PDP-Contexts [TS.23060]. Both IPv6 and >>> IPv4v6 PDP-Contexts must be supported. IPv4, IPv6 or IPv4v6 >>> PDP-Context request acceptance depends on the cellular network >>> configuration. >> >> I would like this requirement to state that _if_ the smartphone sold >> by that operator supports IPv4 PDP-context, IPv6 PDP-context and >> IPv4v6 PDP-context then the operator SHOULD support at least IPv4v6 >> PDP-context, and ideally the 3 for the same APN; in all cases, the >> operator SHOULD NOT support only IPv6 PDP-Context or only IPv4 >> PDP-Context per one APN. >> >> As surprising it might seem, some operators take an approach of >> supporting only IPv6 PDP-Context on one APN, and the other two on >> other two APNs, regardless of the end-user preference; they have >> their particular reasons which may not be technical. It is very >> stimulating in some sense (IPv6-only), or too daring for some >> customers which see their IPv6 flows interupted if switching to other >> APN. >> >> Alex >> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list >>> v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list >> v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops >> >> > > > >
- [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile la… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… James Woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Olaf.Bonness
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson