Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings

["Brzozowski, John" <[e-mail]>]

The below is not true, this is exactly what some of the author’s in the draft are doing:

“In the real world, you will not disable IPv4 in the LANs of end-users or enterprise customers (at least not now, may be in 3-5 years from now).”

The I-D that we wrote is based on real deployment experiences, not fantasy or sci-fi.

John
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From: v6ops <[e-mail]> on behalf of JORDI MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: JORDI MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:17
To: v6ops <[e-mail]>
Cc: Jim Martin <[e-mail]>, Russ Housley <[e-mail]>, Suresh Krishnan <[e-mail]>, Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>, Randy Bush <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings

    However, we have different ways for doing the same, and we should go for the one that has less impact and it is more realistic.
    
    In the real world, you will not disable IPv4 in the LANs of end-users or enterprise customers (at least not now, may be in 3-5 years from now). This is what IETF need to test now. IPv6 only with IPv4 as a service (which is 464XLAT).
    
    Again, and I’m for-IPv6, but being realistic, not considering sci-fi of turning down IPv4 in our customer networks (now).
    
    Regards,
    Jordi
     
    
    -----Mensaje original-----
    De: v6ops <[e-mail]> en nombre de "Brzozowski, John" <[e-mail]>
    Responder a: <[e-mail]>
    Fecha: lunes, 17 de julio de 2017, 10:14
    Para: Noah <[e-mail]>, Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>
    CC: Jim Martin <[e-mail]>, IPv6 Ops WG <[e-mail]>, Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>, Russ Housley <[e-mail]>, Randy Bush <[e-mail]>, Suresh Krishnan <[e-mail]>
    Asunto: Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
    
        Agree with Noah and Ted.
         
        Note the I-D explicitly documents that a fallback, dual stack SSID must remain available as Noah mentions below.
         
        I fail to see how doing this will harm or discriminate.
         
        We do need to eat our own dogfood, otherwise we are hypocrites.
         
        John
        
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        v6ops <[e-mail]> on behalf of Noah <[e-mail]>
        Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 at 09:01
        To: Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>
        Cc: Randy Bush <[e-mail]>, v6ops <[e-mail]>, Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>, Russ Housley <[e-mail]>, Jim Martin <[e-mail]>, Suresh Krishnan <[e-mail]>
        Subject: Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
        
         
        
        FWIW and to cater for all, would a fallback dual stack SSID work for the status quo while this 2nd v6 SSID is also experimented upon which is a great idea considering this is IETF.
        
         
        
        Noah
        
        
         
        On 17 Jul 2017 9:54 a.m., "Ted Lemon" <[e-mail]> wrote:
        
        I don't think this is a social justice issue.   Does the IETF think that IPv6 works, or not?   If we think it works, and we have been working for what, 20 years, to make it work, and we have designed all this great
         transition tech, then why on earth would we not want to use it?   This isn't "one draft."   This is roughly half the work of the IETF for the past two decades.
        
         
        On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:51 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]> wrote:
        
        So we agree to change the rules so that we use this network for every ID that want to experiment with it? Otherwise we discriminate among different authors …
        
        I think is a really bad precedent.
        
        Regards,
        Jordi
        
        
        -----Mensaje original-----
        De: Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>
        Responder a: <[e-mail]>
        Fecha: lunes, 17 de julio de 2017, 8:48
        Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>
        CC: IPv6 Ops WG <[e-mail]>, Jim Martin <[e-mail]>, Randy Bush <[e-mail]>, Suresh
         Krishnan <[e-mail]>, Russ Housley <[e-mail]>, Alissa Cooper <[e-mail]>
        Asunto: Re: [v6ops] Incremental Deployment of IPv6-only Wi-Fi for IETF Meetings
        
            I don't actually know what the goal of the IETF network is other than to provide connectivity.   Because of the vicissitudes of hotel topology, it is often the case that IETF participants experience issues with the
         network at least once or twice per IETF despite the best efforts (and they are quite exceptional) of the NOC team.   I do not really see what the damage is that you are hoping to protect against here.   Users who don't read the NOC announcement?   No sympathy. 
          Sorry.
        
        
        
        
        
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