[v6ops] Reachability [was: draft-ietf-v6ops-64share]

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Tue, 30 July 2013 22:13 UTC

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Subject: [v6ops] Reachability [was: draft-ietf-v6ops-64share]
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On 31/07/2013 03:55, Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
>> Off-topic, but I don't think this is a fair assumption. The source of the information should determine what domain it's in, not the interface.
> 
> There is terminology in the MIF architecture document that I think would help to clarify this discussion if the participants are interested.   Lorenzo is right, and Michael is also right, depending on whether the duplicate IP address is in one explicit provisioning domain or in two explicit or implicit provisioning domains.   It can't ever be in a single implicit provisioning domain.

IMHO the question is broader than the phrase "provisioning domain" implies.
That is about where the address comes from. The more general aspect is
the scope of reachability of the address.

I came to the conclusion a few years ago that we need a generic way of
naming an individual scope of reachability (which in the case under
discussion might mean the union of two provisioining domains, but
who knows?). If the metadata for a prefix included all the scopes
of reachability that apply to it, things might be easier.

(There is some specfic text about this notion in section 2 of
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-grobj-reqts-00).

    Brian