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Re: [v6ops] SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 25 October 2019 10:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] SLAAC renum: Problem Statement & Operational workarounds
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Le 24/10/2019 à 23:47, Mark Smith a écrit :
> 
> 
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 00:43 Alexandre Petrescu, 
> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com <mailto:alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Le 24/10/2019 à 15:11, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) a écrit :
>      >  [...] "Unstable DHCP-PD prefix considered harmful" ?
> 
>     Risks being shortened to an as harmful 'DHCP-PD considered harmful'.
> 
> 
> If you're going to suggest that, you better say why.

BEcause people take DHCPv6 for DHCPv4.

I'd rather say:

'linux lack of a light kernel built-in DHCPv6 client is considered
  harmful'
'sticked addresses on interfaces after prefix expiration is considered
  harmful'
'lack of DHCPv6-delegated prefix presence in RA is considered
  harmful'
...

> DHCPv6-PD has facilitated residential IPv6 deployment. There would have 
> been no practical way to do it otherwise.

Probably DHCPv6-PD has facilitated residential IPv6 deployment.  I will
not argue about the practicability of other ways, but while my ISP
(Free) delivers /56s w/o DHCPv6-PD since many years (supposedly w/
'6rd') it also engaged on a migration path to 'native IPv6' since 2017,
that I do not really understand whether or not it uses DHCPv6-PD.

Alex

> 
> 
> 
>     Alex
> 
>      >
>      > -éric (enjoying my 3-year old /48 or is it 5 years?)
>      >
>      >
>      > On 24/10/2019, 12:47, "v6ops on behalf of Ole Troan"
>     <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of
>     otroan@employees.org <mailto:otroan@employees.org>> wrote:
>      >
>      >      Mark,
>      >
>      >      Right. Instant/flash renumbering is not supported in IP
>     networks.
>      >      IPv6 does nothing to help with this, well, assuming a
>     network hiding behind NAT, it makes it harder.
>      >      Apart from "does not work", what more can the IETF say or do
>     here?
>      >
>      >      Cheers,
>      >      Ole
>      >
>      >
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