Re: [v6ops] PI heresy

[George Michaelson <[e-mail]>]

this is a specious argument.  Its as specious as the 'one IP per citizen'
complaints relating to some national numbering plans, or the model of
assigning v6 to motor vehicle vendors.

the reason its specious, is twofold

1) it has a natural ramp up. to get every SME up to speed and *able* to
multihome and route, takes time. Therefore there is no cliff moment: its a
process. A process which emerges, over time, and permits adjustment of the
routing model to cope.

2) other processes are also placing pressure on routing slots and the
routing model. Therefore, by the time we need to handle 150-250m SMEs
(after all there will be more..) we will have evolved models of both
address management, and scoped routing, and abstract routing data models
which suit the scale we need.

please don't make assumptions now, based on future fear. We have nothing to
fear, except fear itself.

_G

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> On 13/11/2015 10:48, Mark Andrews wrote:
> >
> > In message <[e-mail]>, Owen
> DeLong write
> > s:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 11:43 , Gert Doering <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 11:36:06AM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >>>>> The IETF world does not (at least "should not") revolve around
> "companies
> >> ",
> >>>>> and I wish you good luck finding a SoHo ISP that will route your PI
> space
> >> .
> >>>>
> >>>> 2620:0:930::/48
> >>>
> >>> This is not a typical SoHo ISP.
> >>>
> >>> Try finding one which is not your employer.
> >>
> >> neither of the upstreams for that address employs me at this time.
> >>
> >> Admittedly I did use to work for ONE of the two, but anyone can get
> that one
> >> to route their /48.
> >
> > And how many SME's are there in the world?  This paper [1] puts the
> > number at 125M MSME world wide.  That's 125M routing slots if
> > everyone gets a /48.
>
> Thanks for that reference. My estimate of 10M was based on some hand-waving
> arguments about how many SMEs might seriously want to be multihomed; IMHO
> most of them will be perfectly happy with PA addressing because they will
> have anything that needs a stable address hosted anyway. Most SOHOs just
> don't
> care, and get renumbered without knowing it after power fails etc. Homenet
> takes this as a given, of course.
>
>     Brian
>
>
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > [1]
> http://www.ifc.org/wps/wcm/connect/9ae1dd80495860d6a482b519583b6d16/MSME-CI-AnalysisNote.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
> >
> >> Owen
> >>
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