Re: [v6ops] ULA and IPv4 - draft-liu-v6ops-ula-usage-analysis

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Tue, 05 November 2013 19:37 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 04:37:21 +0900
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To: Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] ULA and IPv4 - draft-liu-v6ops-ula-usage-analysis
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On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>wrote;wrote:

> Happier Eyeballs
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baker-happier-eyeballs-00.html


Great. We can't be bothered to get things right in the network, so we just
tell hosts to try everything all the time in the hope that something will
work.

It's very easy to say "we should just have smarter algorithms", especially
if we expect that someone other than ourselves will be writing those
algorithms, but I have yet to see a proposal that's sanely implementable,
high performance, and low load (even considering the fact that you'd have
to completely overhaul the socket API and app the apps using it before you
could deploy it).