Re: [v6ops] draft-lencse-v6ops-transition-scalability

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

Hi Gábor,

I think your suggestion at the end is a good one. This topic is important, and such measurements will be useful, and an overview/summary as an RFC seems valuable too. Maybe your I-D needs to continue as a living repository for a while, until you have advanced in your project.

Regards
    Brian

On 27-Jun-22 07:02, Gábor LENCSE wrote:
> Dear Brian,
> 
> Thank you very much for your review and comments! Please see my answers inline.
> 
> 2022.06.19. 23:08 keltezéssel, Brian E Carpenter írta:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looking at this, it's very interesting, but it reads more like a paper I'd expect to see presented at a measurement conference than an IETF document.
> 
> You are completely wright: I can't deny that I am an academic researcher and my main research area is benchmarking. :-)
> 
> I still hope that my results regarding the scalability of the various IPv4aaS IPv6 transitions will be useful for the IPv6 network operators.
> 
> *Operators, please let me know, what you think!*
> 
> (If the operators do not find this draft useful, then I should rather write academic papers from these measurement results.)
> 
>> Viewed that way, it seems to lack two aspects:
>>
>> 1) An introduction that provides background and context for the reader - for example, it assumes that the reader knows what 'iptables' is, and what 'Jool' is.
> 
> Thank you, I will add this information in the next version.
>>
>>
>> 2) A summary of the results and a discussion of what they mean, and what the next steps should be.
> 
> I can add the analysis of the results easily, but regarding the "next steps" I am in a trouble. I mean that what I want to do is to measure the scalability of the various implementations of the different technologies, but, I feel that I should leave the decision for the operators, which technology and which implementation they want to use. Scalability is only one aspect of these technologies. There are a lot of other aspects discussed in "Pros and Cons of IPv6 Transition Technologies for IPv4aaS" available from: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-comparison
> (My current draft intends to support that one with measurement results regarding the scalability of the technologies.)
> 
>>
>> With that content added, we could evaluate whether it fits in the IETF.
> 
> In fact, the current version is only a kind of a "trailer" of what I want to do, that is, the scalability analysis of the most important free software implementations of all five IPv4aaS solutions (464XLAT, DS-Lite, MAP-E, MAP-T, lw4o6). It will be a lot of work and time.
> 
> Brian, as you know the academic world well, I would like to ask your advise. Perhaps, I should publish open access journal papers about the details the benchmarking of each technology, and include their findings into this draft. Thus the operators can find a good overview and they can check all the details in the papers.
> 
> What do you think of it?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gábor
> 
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>    Brian Carpenter
>>
>> On 20-Jun-22 06:00, Fred Baker wrote:
>>> With this email, let me invite commentary on draft-lencse-v6ops-transition-scalability. Please read the draft and raise any issues you might have with it.
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