Re: [v6ops] [Idr] BGP Identifier

"Fan, Peng" <fanpeng@chinamobile.com> Mon, 17 February 2014 14:16 UTC

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Randy,
Would you please give me an example about how modern large ISPs manage their
networks?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:26 PM
> To: Fan, Peng
> Cc: 'Robert Raszuk'; 'idr wg'; 'V6 Ops List'
> Subject: Re: [Idr] [v6ops] BGP Identifier
> 
> > Yes that is a possible solution for troubleshooting, once the
> > router_id has been determined. But how do you determine at first the
> > value of a.b.c.d when there is no ipv4 address to be referred to,
> > especially in an automatic manner? Beforehand planning work for the
> > ids for the entire network is something I am concerned with :)
> 
> all your comments are symptoms of the insanity of trying to configure a
large
> network manually.  this went out of fashion in the last century, and we do
not
> try to compensate for insanity through protocol modification.
> 
> randy