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Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient

"Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> Fri, 03 April 2015 21:10 UTC

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To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient
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> On 03 Apr 2015, at 20:57 , Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
> 
> On 4 Apr 2015 3:08 am, "James Woodyatt" <jhw@nestlabs.com> wrote:
> 
> > That's an overly general statement, which is why I'm pushing back. A more specific statement you could make is that the IPv4 programming interfaces need to be supported on general-purpose multi-program hosts that operate on IPv6-only networks which bear a strong resemblance to yours.
> 
> James,
> 
> what do you purpose as a better alternative?
> 
> Suppose that, as you say, not all popular OSes implement 464xlat. Aren't we just changing the outcome from "we'll never get away from IPv4-only socket calls" to "we'll never get away from running IPv4"? If so, how is that better?
> 
> You could well argue that for as long as IPv4 is around, we'll never get rid of IPv4 socket calls either, because it's impossible for anyone to impose a "thou shalt not write an IPv4-only app" policy without placing themselves at a competitive disadvantage.

Ok, so we need a monthly global “we’ll get rid of all these 512k IPv4 prefixes in BGP for you”-day and the problem will be solved by christmas.  It’s probably good enough if 5 major transport networks will do it once for a start, very much like 5 major content players started making loud noises 10 years to late for IPv6.  June 6 2016?  Who’s in for a long weekend?

If you can say crazy things, so can I.

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