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Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 17 October 2014 18:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [GROW] Deaggregation data
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On 18/10/2014 05:58, Randy Bush wrote:
> [ not pickin' on you, nick ]
> 
> trying to find protein in this whole thread.
> 
> in the long run, why will v6 not suffer the <your expletive about
> reasons goes here> same deaggregation which is about half of the v4
> routing table?

I see no reason why it will be fundamentally different unless sites
start using the multi-prefix model of addressing, which would change
the game by allowing a site to be in multiple aggregates simultaneously.
I don't know exactly what impact that would have, but it would change
the game.

Alternatively we could abolish capitalism.

   Brian

> 
> maybe if we start filtering now.  but we know how well that went in ipv4
> when their suits called our suits and said "we pay you to let us contact
> <deaggregator>.
> 
> 96 more bits, no magic (and 64 of those bits are allocated to relative
> vacuum)
> 
> randy
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