Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Sun, 12 November 2023 06:23 UTC
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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 00:22:45 -0600
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Transport Operational Guidelines
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I think Owen is referring to the behavior of DNS clients communicating with a recursive DNS resolver specified in Section 3.1 of RFC 8305, Happy Eyeballs v2; 3.1. Handling Multiple DNS Server Addresses If multiple DNS server addresses are configured for the current network, the client may have the option of sending its DNS queries over IPv4 or IPv6. In keeping with the Happy Eyeballs approach, queries SHOULD be sent over IPv6 first (note that this is not referring to the sending of AAAA or A queries, but rather the address of the DNS server itself and IP version used to transport DNS messages). If DNS queries sent to the IPv6 address do not receive responses, that address may be marked as penalized and queries can be sent to other DNS server addresses. As native IPv6 deployments become more prevalent and IPv4 addresses are exhausted, it is expected that IPv6 connectivity will have preferential treatment within networks. If a DNS server is configured to be accessible over IPv6, IPv6 should be assumed to be the preferred address family. On the other hand, Geoff is referring to the behavior of a recursive DNS resolver communicating with an authoritative DNS server. And I think he is correct that there isn't any Happy Eyeballs type behavior there. Thanks. On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 10:18 PM Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> It may not be in the HE RFCs, but I’ve noticed MANY implementations > will ask over v4 and v6 for the same resolver query on the first shot, or > in some cases a few seconds later, so there is, in fact, happy eyeballs > like implementation in the wild even if it isn’t official. > >>> > >>> Owen > >>> > >> > > > > > Don’t forget that all this started with the 3901bis draft so we are > talking about DNS queries made from recursive to authoritative servers. > > So the question is do recursive resolvers perform back-to-back queries in > V4 and V6 for the same query name and query type? > > I’ll go look > > g > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6 Tra… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Martin Huněk
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Mark Elkins
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Marco Davids (IETF IMAP)
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Geoff Huston
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Momoka Yamamoto
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] New draft at dnsop a bis for DNS IPv6… Gert Doering