Re: [v6ops] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-12: (with COMMENT)

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Thu, 10 January 2019 11:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-12: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Ben,

There has been long discussion in the WG about updating RFC7084. Initially this document was RFC7084-bis and accepted as WG item (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc7084-bis/), but then it was decided to make it an independent document.

Regarding RFC2119/8174 usage, I've already provided in previous comments my opinion on that. I will be fine to use that boilerplate if this is an issue, but we clearly state that it is a special language, following RFC7084, as we are trying to make both documents "coherent".

I will submit a new version in an hour or so, including the last agreed (in v6ops) as a result of the security-area review by Christian Huitema for the security section changes which I think also resolves your last comment.

I'm going to try to take the opportunity to tidy up the sentences that you commented so they are more "parseable".

Thanks!

Regards,
Jordi
 
 

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De: v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
Fecha: miércoles, 9 de enero de 2019, 23:17
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CC: <draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas@ietf.org>, <v6ops-chairs@ietf.org>, <v6ops@ietf.org>
Asunto: [v6ops] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-12: (with COMMENT)

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    General: I'm curious why this is not a BCP. The shepherd review states that it
    doesn't recommend practices, but that seems to be me to be exactly what it does.
    
    abstract: Does this need to update RFC7084?
    
    §1, 2nd paragraph: The paragraph does not parse.
    
    §1.1: Is there a reason not to use the updated boilerplate from RFC 8174?
    
    §3.2, third paragraph: The paragraph is hard to follow. Please consider
    breaking into simpler sentences.
    
    §3.2.1: "The IPv6 Transition CE Router MUST support CLAT functionality
    [RFC6877] if intended for the retail market. If 464XLAT is
    supported, it MUST be implemented according to [RFC6877]."
    The 2nd MUST seems redundant; we don't generally need to say that a function
    defined in an RFC MUST be implemented according to that RFC unless there's some
    reason to expect people might do otherwise.
    
    §7:
    - The entirety of this section is very hard to parse.
    
    - "... only integration and testing cost may become a minor issue."
    I don't think that's a judgement the IETF is in a position to make. It's not
    all that unusual for integration and testing to be greater costs than coding.
    
    §8, 2nd paragraph: Is there any guidance that can be given for mitigating this
    issue in the context of transition mechanisms?
    
    
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