Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem

Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mon, 28 October 2013 19:52 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] DHCPv6/SLAAC Make Hosts Confusing-//RE: new draft: draft-liu-bonica-v6ops-dhcpv6-slaac-problem
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On 28 Oct 2013, at 17:45, james woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org> wrote:

> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:39 , Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:50 AM, james woodyatt <jhw@conjury.org> wrote:
>>> I prefer this way out.  I've said this before, but now seems like a good time to say it again: stateless DHCPv6 has a lifetime of information problem, and I think RFC 3736 should be sent to pasture.
>>> 
>>> p1. If there are information objects that must be individually and separately configured at each host by the network, then stateful DHCPv6 [RFC 3315] is the protocol for doing that.
>> 
>> It sounds like you are saying that devices that need per-device configuration must use stateful address allocation.   That's an odd position to take, so I just want to make sure: is that what you intended to say?
> 
> Is stateful address allocation required?  I didn't think that was the case.  It seems perfectly reasonable to me that routers can advertise M=0 and O=1, and hosts can then proceed to use RFC 3315 stateful DHCPv6 to obtain things like their OpenDirectory service parameters.  Isn't that what the DUID mechanism is supposed to be about?  Decoupling the address allocation from the host identifier?
> 
>> FWIW, RFC 3736 was updated eight years ago with RFC 4242, which provides an information refresh timer.   If you aren't currently implementing that, you should.   Unfortunately the working group didn't think to actually say that 4242 updates 3736, so I'm not surprised if it's not on peoples' radar.
> 
> That's a problem. I'm not sure how much uptake RFC 4242 has gotten.

As the person who pushed for this option as a result of experiments ten years ago, it’s disappointing.

Can we at least fix that now?

Tim