Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call
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Le 23/02/2015 14:25, Dave Michaud a écrit : > To further clarify the comment below, this is not a recommendation but > it is the expected behaviour as per the 3GPP spec. > > Upon receiving a request for a dual-stack PDP, the network operator can > return one of the following cause codes (there are a lot more options > but these are the relevant ones for discussion): And what is the Cause code number for "PDP Type IPv4IPv6 allowed"? If there is no such Cause code then it would make sense to add it. Alex > > Cause code 50: PDP Type IPv4 only allowed > Cause code 51: PDP Type IPv6 only allowed > Cause code 52: Single address bearers only allowed > > In the first 2 causes (CC50 & CC51), the UE is to accept the PDP type > selected by the network (IPv4 or IPv6) and not proceed further. Cause > code 52 is the mean by which the network signals that it will allow two > distincts PDP of different address type. In that case only is the UE > suppose to go back and request a second PDP with the alternate type not > offered by the network at the same time cause code 52 was returned. > > "If the requested IPv4v6 PDP-Context is not supported by > > the network, *but IPv4 and IPv6 PDP types are allowed**…*” —> This is > signalled with cause code 52. > > > > * > * > *Dave Michaud* > Sr. Architect Mobility – Access Networks & IP Network Services > Network Technology | Rogers Communications > dave.michaud@rci.rogers.com <mailto:dave.michaud@rci.rogers.com> | tel: > +1 647.747.9442 | mobile: +1 416.219.5531 > > > From: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> > Date: Monday, February 23, 2015 at 07:10 > To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com <mailto:lorenzo@google.com>> > Cc: IPv6 WG <v6ops@ietf.org <mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>> > Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call > > Re-, > > Please see inline. > > Cheers, > > Med > > *De :*Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:lorenzo@google.com] > *Envoyé :* lundi 23 février 2015 11:49 > *À :* BOUCADAIR Mohamed IMT/OLN > *Cc :* Mikael Abrahamsson; V6 Ops List > *Objet :* Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile last call > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:39 PM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote: > > Operators who have deployed IPv6 report that running dual-stack over two > PDP contexts is a very bad idea because it consumes 2x the network > resources. Please don't recommend this unless you have evidence that > this works well in production (not in testing). > > [Med] We are not recommending establishing systematically two PDP > contexts. Please check the full recommendation provided below for your > convenience. > > C_REC#2: The cellular host must comply with the behavior defined in > > [TS.23060] [TS.23401] [TS.24008] for requesting a PDP- > > Context type. In particular, the cellular host must > > request by default an IPv6 PDP-Context if the cellular host > > is IPv6-only and request an IPv4v6 PDP-Context if the > > cellular host is dual-stack or when the cellular host is > > not aware of connectivity types requested by devices > > connected to it (e.g., cellular host with LAN capabilities > > as discussed in Section 3): > > * If the requested IPv4v6 PDP-Context is not supported by > > the network, but IPv4 and IPv6 PDP types are allowed, > > then the cellular host will be configured with an IPv4 > > address or an IPv6 prefix by the network. It must > > initiate another PDP-Context activation in addition to > > the one already activated for a given APN (Access Point > > Name). The purpose of initiating a second PDP-Context > > is to achieve dual- stack connectivity by means of two > > PDP-Contexts. > > How are you "not recommending" this behaviour, if the text says that the > device "must initiate another PDP-Context activation"? > > [Med] It seems you skipped “systematically” in my answer ;-). So, I > confirm “we are not recommending establishing systematically two PDP > contexts”. The default behavior is to ask for a IPv4v6 PDP-Context, but > (1) if the IPv4v6 PDP-Context is not supported, and (2) if IPv4 and IPv6 > PDP types are allowed, two PDP contexts can be requested. The network is > free to accept those or not. As you can see there are “if”s in this > behavior. So to be accurate, this text does not recommend requesting two > separate PDP contexts as default behavior, but it does not forbid it > either. > > * If the subscription data or network configuration > allows > > only one IP address family (IPv4 or IPv6), the cellular > > host must not request a second PDP-Context to the same > > APN for the other IP address family. > > The text above focuses on the specification part which > > explains the behavior for requesting IPv6-related PDP- > > Context(s). Understanding this behavior is important to > > avoid having broken IPv6 implementations in cellular > > devices. > > I find this last paragraph meaningless. What is it intended to convey? > > [Med] FWIW, the last paragraph was added as per a comment received from > the mailing list: > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/v6ops/current/msg14716.html. The > point is that the set of cited specifications contains more details > about how PDP contexts are to be handled compared to what is described > in here (that is IPv6-sepcific). > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This communication is confidential. We only send and receive email on > the basis of the terms set out at www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice > <http://www.rogers.com/web/content/emailnotice> > > > > Ce message est confidentiel. Notre transmission et réception de > courriels se fait strictement suivant les modalités énoncées dans l’avis > publié à www.rogers.com/aviscourriel <http://www.rogers.com/aviscourriel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops >
- [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profile la… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… James Woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Olaf.Bonness
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ross Chandler
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… david.binet
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… t.petch
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Dave Michaud
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Heatley, Nick
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-mobile-device-profil… Mikael Abrahamsson