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From: "nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com" <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com>
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Bob,
Thanks for the comments.  I am copying the ROLL group as they may have interest also.
>  Given the title "IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices”  I was expecting to see an IPv6 over <foo> document, but this isn’t that.   > It does a good job summarizing IETF Bluetooth work in this area with many references.  I assume the key is “Power Affluent Devices”.   A > different title that makes that clearer might be helpful.
Sure, we can do that.
>  The Disaster recovery section is interesting, but I not sure this is exclusive to Bluetooth.   WiFi and other link technologies can probably >   also be used without Internet as well.
Yes, that is true.   We wanted to make the point that BlueTooth is also an important way to do this.

>  Section 4.5.  "Shortwave radio" seems out of sync (not bluetooth) with the rest of the draft, not sure why that is included.
The reason for Shortwave is because in disaster scenarios, this may be the only way to communicate with emergency help or law enforcement.
For example, this is for the USA.
34.90 MHz Nationwide emergency channel for the National Guard. 39.46 MHz Emergency communication channel for local and state police. 47.42 MHz Nationwide relief operations channel for the Red Cross.

Take an example of a university in India located near the beach (this is actually where we are!).   If there is a typhoon, etc, and communications are disrupted, then we can still communicate over the campus and even connect for emergency help.
One of the university departments has implemented a radio controlled boogie board and drone that can go out to provide emergency help for someone who may be drowning.   They connect to emergency medical aid over shortwave today.  I saw their work, and it got me thinking of shortwave as quite helpful in many situations.

> Overall, I am not sure what the goal is for document is.   It covers a lot of areas but I am not sure what it is accomplishing.
Yes, I see what you mean.  What we were hoping is:
1.  Start a conversation about BlueTooth and how it is really a transmission interface like WiFi and so on that we can use.
2.  It is relatively simple to run almost any IPv6 application over BlueTooth.  (Maybe IPv4 also but we have not explored this in detail.)
3.  Start (add to the ) conversations around disaster recovery or internet shutdown scenarios.  Both of which are, unfortunately, all too prevalent today.   Starlink and other LEO satellites are quite helpful here but as I say, I think this is an interesting conversation to have.  Just my opinion, of course!   Also, not sure where this conversation should happen (or if I have missed where it IS happening!). 

4.  For disaster recovery / internet shutdown / or even IoT world,  we may want to think of an architecture which involves a cascaded architecture: BlueTooth, ShortWave, and then global internet connectivity.
Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
https://www.insidethestack.com
PresidentIndustry Network Technology Councilhttps://www.industrynetcouncil.org 

    On Monday, June 3, 2024 at 10:32:31 AM PDT, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Nalini,
I did a read of this draft.   I have a few questions and comments.
Given the title "IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices”  I was expecting to see an IPv6 over <foo> document, but this isn’t that.   It does a good job summarizing IETF Bluetooth work in this area with many references.  I assume the key is “Power Affluent Devices”.   A different title that makes that clearer might be helpful.
The Disaster recovery section is interesting, but I not sure this is exclusive to Bluetooth.   WiFi and other link technologies can probably also be used without Internet as well.
Section 4.5.  "Shortwave radio" seems out of sync (not bluetooth) with the rest of the draft, not sure why that is included.
Overall, I am not sure what the goal is for document is.   It covers a lot of areas but I am not sure what it is accomplishing.
Bob


On Jun 3, 2024, at 6:39 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
All,
We have been playing around with IPv6 over Bluetooth on Windows and Linux.   We see a number of use cases for this.  Please see draft attached.
- Disaster recovery- Internet shutdown scenarios- Chat applications- IoT Gateways
We can also see a scenario with cascaded gateways / access systems using amateur or shortwave radio to communicate with emergency services, law enforcement and the like.
Please see below.  We believe that BlueTooth has many uses!

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
https://www.insidethestack.com
PresidentIndustry Network Technology Councilhttps://www.industrynetcouncil.org 

   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" <internet-drafts@ietf.org>To: Mohit P. Tahiliani <tahiliani@nitk.edu.in>; 84 108 <tejas@gmail.com>; Mohit Tahiliani <tahiliani@nitk.edu.in>; Nalini Elkins <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com>; Rakshith Mohan <rakshith21mohan@gmail.com>; Shrinidhi Ballal Nidamboor <ballalshrinidhi@gmail.com>; Shrinidhi Nidamboor <ballalshrinidhi@gmail.com>; Tejas Sankpal <tejas@gmail.com>Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 at 06:34:33 AM PDTSubject: New Version Notification for draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt
 A new version of Internet-Draft draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt has been
successfully submitted by Nalini Elkins and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:    draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt
Revision: 00
Title:    IPv6 Over Bluetooth for Power Affluent Devices
Date:    2024-05-31
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    10
URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt-00.txt
Status:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt/
HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-elkins-v6ops-ipv6blt


Abstract:

  IPv6 over Bluetooth enables devices to communicate using the IPv6
  protocol stack over Bluetooth wireless connections, expanding the
  range of networking options available to devices with Bluetooth
  capability.  RFC 7668 and RFC 9159 describe IPv6 over Bluetooth for
  Bluetooth Low Energy devices.  However, the potential of this
  technology has yet to be fully explored.  This document proposes
  using this technology for power affluent devices with optional header
  compression and discusses some use cases.



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