Re: [v6ops] Chair decision on WGLC for draft-ietf-v6ops-dhcp-pd-per-device-04

[David Farmer <[e-mail]>]

On Sun, Nov 5, 2023 at 2:42 PM Gert Doering <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2023 at 01:40:01PM -0600, David Farmer wrote:
> > Your argument above is hypocritical. If a /64 per phone is justified for
> > cell carriers, it should be justice for end-user customers as well. If
> it's
> > not okay for end-users, it should not be okay for cell carriers either.
>
> Maybe you need to acquaint yourself to the realities of address
> distribution hierarchies, outside large universities holding a /32?
>

Maybe you need to acquaint yourself with the realities of other kinds of
large-scale networks than just service providers. That is who this draft is
aimed at, not residential or SOHO customers.


> > If a cell carrier can get enough /64s to have one for every customer's
> cell
> > phone, then end-users should be able to do the same. If RIPE has to
> change
> > its policies to allow this, then so be it.
>
> You do not want everybody to become a RIR member, because of obvious
> implications on routing table size.
>

RIPE policy can allow larger than /56 or /48 for end-users without everyone
becoming a member and impacting the route table size.

Furthermore, RIR policy is one of many factors in route table growth. The
backbone transit ISP marketplace is another significant factor. You have to
purchase transit for your RIR-assigned prefixes. This cost exceeds what
most residential or SOHO customers are willing to pay, probably by a factor
of 10 to 100.

You seem to be saying that because residential or SOHO users don't have
enough address space, it is also invalid for larger enterprises with the
address space necessary for this addressing model and that it is only
allowed for carriers and service providers.

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