Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-balanced-ipv6-security WGLC

Tarko Tikan <tarko@lanparty.ee> Wed, 13 November 2013 15:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] draft-ietf-v6ops-balanced-ipv6-security WGLC
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hey,

> You could definitely do this with PCP, but do you really want to encourage the installation of firewalls in this part of the network?   I suspect the law of unintended consequences is worth paying attention to here.

There are pros and cons like always. Considering people put subscriber 
awareness, CGN (stateful) etc. into PEs, adding firewalls is not that 
big of a deal. Scale is an issue but current hardware can already do 
tens of gigabits worth of stateful firewalling.

Then again it adds cost and raises complexity (lower MTBF) and CPEs are 
there and paid for.

-- 
tarko