[v6ops] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fwd: The V6OPS WG has placed draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

[Tommy Jensen <[e-mail]>]

+1, I oppose the WG adopting this.

I do think having the I-D published individually would make for a nice reference for any standards updates ("this is an example of where this document's mechanism is needed and why"). The concrete numbers are especially insightful to justify design trade-offs and defaults values. That said, maybe it does not even need to make it to RFC publication if, as a draft, it can be used by the WG to motivate a standards-friendly solution that can be adopted and published by the WG instead.

This seems like something we should discuss at 121 either way.

Thanks,
Tommy
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [v6ops] Re: Fwd: The V6OPS WG has placed draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 3:06 PM Mark Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't support adoption for a number of reasons.
>
> Firstly, and the main reason, v6ops working group adoption means the
> document becomes a product of the WG, rather than just the authors.
>
> As this ID is documenting violations of IETF Standard Track RFC 6437,
> it becoming a v6ops WG document means that the v6ops WG is tacitly
> endorsing RFC 6437 violation, even if published as Informational.
>
> It becoming a WG document also suggests there is further work to be
> done on it by the WG, not just the authors. What further work on this
> ID is there the v6ops WG to do?
>
> If the IETF is the best place to publish it, why can't it be published
> as an Independent Submission, avoiding v6ops tacit endorsement and any
> WG publication overheads.

Mark,

I tend to agree. The proposal is for a very limited use case, and the
draft acknowledges that the correct mechanism to carry such data would
be Destination Options. IMO, the community would be better served by
the WG working on fixing the problems of extension header deployment
instead of pursuing workarounds like this. Independent Submission
seems appropriate.

Tom

>
> Why can't it be published as an academic paper outside of the IETF,
> further avoiding the IETF RFC publication costs?
>
> Regards,
> Mark.
>
> On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 at 04:27, Nick Buraglio
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This call for adoption is wrapping up. If anyone else would like to comment, please read the draft and provide feedback by tomorrow.
> > Below is the current state:
> >
> > | [draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking](https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking%2F&data=05%7C02%7CJensen.Thomas%40microsoft.com%7C2739959a19694bc2afc808dcbbe66575%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638591845444934751%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1bDguBEr3SLbHqMkqAznDR0QH5LBbceSPR9UPoFMymY%3D&reserved=0) |             | Adoption Called 05-Aug-2024                        | Adoption Ending 19-August-2024 |
> > | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------ |
> > | Support                                                                                                            | Opposed     | Comments                                           | Comments Addressed             |
> > | Brian Carpenter                                                                                                    |             | discussion of deviations from RFC 6437 is helpful. |                                |
> > | Tim Winters                                                                                                        |             |                                                    |                                |
> > | Nick Buraglio                                                                                                      |             |                                                    |                                |
> > |                                                                                                                    | Tom Herbert | Feels is too specific                              | Yes                            |
> > | David Farmer                                                                                                       |             |                                                    |
> >
> >
> > I believe Tom had his concerns addressed but I never saw explicit support after.
> > If anyone else would like to comment, please read the draft and provide feedback by tomorrow.
> >
> > nb
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 2:13 PM David Farmer <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I support adoption.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 13:35 Nick Buraglio <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>> We'd like to wrap this adoption call up. As of now we don't have a lot
> >>> of input, but it is mostly positive. Please read and comment.  Current
> >>> state:
> >>>
> >>> ### draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking
> >>> #### Adoption Called 06-July-2024
> >>> * Support - Comments - Comments Addressed
> >>> Brian Carpenter - discussion of deviations from RFC 6437 is helpful.
> >>> Tim Winters
> >>> Nick Buraglio
> >>>
> >>>  * Opposed - Comments - Comments Addressed
> >>> Tom Herbert - Feels is too specific - no
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >>> From: IETF Secretariat <[e-mail]>
> >>> Date: Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 5:09 PM
> >>> Subject: The V6OPS WG has placed
> >>> draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking in state "Call For Adoption By
> >>> WG Issued"
> >>> To: <[e-mail]>,
> >>> <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The V6OPS WG has placed draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking in state
> >>> Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Nick Buraglio)
> >>>
> >>> The document is available at
> >>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking%2F&data=05%7C02%7CJensen.Thomas%40microsoft.com%7C2739959a19694bc2afc808dcbbe66575%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638591845444948480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TrSIGAQFjZ0PjpNduXVqjQrgX0Ze%2FiOOUU1EQiovloU%3D&reserved=0<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cc-v6ops-wlcg-flow-label-marking/>
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