Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 11 August 2020 18:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] draft-ietf-6man-grand : saving lookups
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On Aug 11, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> In the NBMA case, we leverage unicast routing in an overlay BGP routing topology
> based on the NS target address. For a WiFi base station, it could use broadcast
> but that might not scale well if the number of nodes in the broadcast domain is
> large. Alternatively, it could do the unicast/multicast emulation the same as
> for the NBMA case if an overlay BGP routing topology is established.

But there’s no reason for an overlay topology. The question is, is there a way for it to know which stations to send the multicast too? If so, then it should just iterate across that set of stations using unicast, which is a lot faster. If not, then it probably has no choice but to broadcast. Sorry if these are naive questions—I haven’t really dug around in the details of how WiFi routers do multicast, so I have just enough knowledge to appear really ignorant.